Eggsampull
Bleeds Scarlet.... and Gray
methomps;813486; said:
Yea, everyone is jumping all over the officials. "Why didn't you prevent this whole entire thing? That's what I would have done."
It's really absurd.
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Yea, everyone is jumping all over the officials. "Why didn't you prevent this whole entire thing? That's what I would have done."
It's really absurd.
sandgk
Watson, Crick & A Twist
The Va. Tech officials administration is bound to be questioned on this, and I think it actually fair and essential to do just that.
They have justified their reaction as being based on reasonable assumptions, key among which is the assumption that the dorm shooter had gone from campus. (Which claim is undercut by the VT President's assertion that the campus police and local authorities were still trying to pursue the suspect when the classroom shootings began). But the point is that that their reactions were not based on firm facts - they were based on what turned out to be incorrect assumptions.
I am absolutely certain of one thing, if anything remotely like the early morning shooting were ever to happen again at VT their reaction, by rule would be very, very different. Think in terms of classes closed down. Think in terms of police at each and every major thoroughfare on what is, sadly, a very open and easily accessed campus. Think in terms of assuming the worst case scenario (shooter still on campus) and acting accordingly.
Which worst case scenario was a distant nightmare in the VT Administration's imagination till today, and, candidly, a distant nightmare in the minds of many including mine.
They have justified their reaction as being based on reasonable assumptions, key among which is the assumption that the dorm shooter had gone from campus. (Which claim is undercut by the VT President's assertion that the campus police and local authorities were still trying to pursue the suspect when the classroom shootings began). But the point is that that their reactions were not based on firm facts - they were based on what turned out to be incorrect assumptions.
I am absolutely certain of one thing, if anything remotely like the early morning shooting were ever to happen again at VT their reaction, by rule would be very, very different. Think in terms of classes closed down. Think in terms of police at each and every major thoroughfare on what is, sadly, a very open and easily accessed campus. Think in terms of assuming the worst case scenario (shooter still on campus) and acting accordingly.
Which worst case scenario was a distant nightmare in the VT Administration's imagination till today, and, candidly, a distant nightmare in the minds of many including mine.
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No. Just reenforces the fact.tibor75;813524; said:it takes an event like this to remind you of that?
This is nothing compared to what 80% of the world lives with.
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bluechillj
Heisman
What a truly terrible day. I'm down here at University of Virginia, so not even that close to VT, and it was so quiet and mournful all day on campus. People were passing you on campus crying, almost everyone talking on their cellphone to friends or family. Most of the undergrads I know knew a number of people at VT from their hometowns or high schools...they were all calling their VT friends to make sure they were ok.
I heard a couple of second-hand stories about heroic students who blocked the doors to classrooms when the gunman was trying to enter, even when he was trying to shoot his way through the doors (sounds like the article someone posted above mentions one of these). If there is anything to be thankful for, it is that it sounds like the death toll could have been a lot worse if not for the actions of a few brave people.
One of the scariest things to me is that VT has had several incidents in the past year that one would presume would have caused them to review and bulk up security procedures...it just goes to show that someone crazy enough to do something like this can cause damage no matter what the precautions. Maybe there were things that could have been handled differently, but it's hard to defend yourself from an unpredictable threat from within like this. My thoughts and prayers go out to the students and families affected by this.
I heard a couple of second-hand stories about heroic students who blocked the doors to classrooms when the gunman was trying to enter, even when he was trying to shoot his way through the doors (sounds like the article someone posted above mentions one of these). If there is anything to be thankful for, it is that it sounds like the death toll could have been a lot worse if not for the actions of a few brave people.
One of the scariest things to me is that VT has had several incidents in the past year that one would presume would have caused them to review and bulk up security procedures...it just goes to show that someone crazy enough to do something like this can cause damage no matter what the precautions. Maybe there were things that could have been handled differently, but it's hard to defend yourself from an unpredictable threat from within like this. My thoughts and prayers go out to the students and families affected by this.
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CleveBucks
Serenity now
The reality is that, if a gunman wants to commit mass-murder on a college campus, he's going to do it one way or the other. Unless you post armed guards at the entrance of every building, any classroom provides vulnerable targets.
Even if VT decided to lock down campus, how do they spread the word to 35000+ student, staff, and visitors? The cell towers were overburdened, not everybody checks e-mail or watches TV.
Even if VT decided to lock down campus, how do they spread the word to 35000+ student, staff, and visitors? The cell towers were overburdened, not everybody checks e-mail or watches TV.
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ScarletBlood31
Buckeye in Blacksburg
What a devastating day. Being that my high school feeds a lot of students into Virginia Tech, there were a lot of students wondering about their older siblings, and people wondering about friends that they knew there.
Its horrible to know that something like this can happen anyday, and that all it takes is someone to go get a gun and start firing away. It goes without being said, but may God bless the families of the victims.
Its horrible to know that something like this can happen anyday, and that all it takes is someone to go get a gun and start firing away. It goes without being said, but may God bless the families of the victims.
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tibor75
Banned
CleveBucks;813530; said:
agreed. The fact that this doesn't happen more often is what is amazing. How easy is it to take a gun to a major sporting event? To a museum? To a school? Personally, I think it's amazing the country is as safe as it is. But most people who commit crimes or think about committing them don't have a death wish...and that is what saves us.
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tibor75;813555; said:
So does that mean you advocate capital punishment as a deterrent? <shoves mic in face>
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Jeffcat
Banned
tibor75;813555; said:
very true and in all honestly i could walk to any class or building at osu with a backpack full of handguns and ammo and do way worse if premeditated to do so. its unstoppable and we are fortunate to be so lucky as to have this happen rarely and even with 33 dead as of now it could easily get into triple digits if somebody wanted it to be. not that this makes it right or condones this act but im just saying it could be worse and there are portions of the world that could be a lot worse. as for here and now with some of the whacked out people in the country(all of our crazy topics)....its important to note that it only takes one to create a catastrophy. if somebody REALLY wanted to assassinate the president they could very easily do so.....if somebody wanted to kill a triple digit amount of people at osu they could do so even easier but our freedoms give this opportunity....we should only be so fortunate that it does not happen as often as it does.
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