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Multiple shootings at Va Tech

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buckeyegrad;814283; said:
Again, playing semantics, but I would guess that the greatest mass shooting in US history happened sometime between 1861 and 1865.
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Probably true if you want to get down to it. I guess we can go with "greatest mass-murder shooting that is not war related in US history"?
 
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Virginia Killer's Violent Writings

Play told of pedophilic stepfather, murder of 13-year-old boy

The Smoking Gun
APRIL 17--The college student responsible for yesterday's Virginia Tech slaughter was referred last year to counseling after professors became concerned about the violent nature of his writings, as evidenced in a one-act play obtained by The Smoking Gun. The play by Cho Seung-Hui, a 23-year-old English major, was submitted last year as part of a short story writing class. Entitled "Richard McBeef," Cho's bizarre play features a 13-year-old boy who accuses his stepfather of pedophilia and murdering his father. A copy of the killer's play can be found below. The teenager talks of killing the older man and, at one point, the child's mother brandishes a chain saw at the stepfather. The play ends with the man striking the child with "a deadly blow." (10 pages)
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transcript of seung-hui's play, "richard mcbeef," is included.
 
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sandgk;814246; said:
I don't if that is or is not the answer. (I instinctively believe that actually being a parent instead of a purse for hire is certainly the better choice).

That aside though martins, there is clearly some kind of dichotomy, some kind of cultural quirk here that makes this rare type of event happen more so in the US than anywhere else.
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id find the results for a comparo between the % of both parent households in this country that work full time vrs those in other countries very interesting. not just the hours they spend in the office. but the hours they work around the clock. as well as a compairison between the mentaility in this country vrs others on how parents view their children and their level of responsibility to them. do parents in europe consider working 4 to 6 hours in their home office after an 8 to 10 hour day at work effective parental control like they do in this country?

how many times have you gone to the movies, or to a restaurant and watched parents blatantly ignore their hellspawn as the staff frantically tries to take care of them so they don't offend the other patrons? or bribe their kids with snacks or candies or gifts to just get them to shut up and go away?

our incompetance as parents is the cultural quirk your looking for. its the reason why this type of act isn't just perpetrated by the poor kids or the rich kids or the foriegn kids. bad parenting doesn't have a racial or financial barrier.

Hinted at earlier was that maybe it was easy access to guns. Seems like a common sense premise. Yet, many countries with pretty high gun ownership have much lower murder rates, much lower murder by firearm rates and much lower suicide by gun rates than the US.
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right now, today, this point in US history it is the most difficult to gain access to a firearm than it ever has been. not like that is saying much. but the fact remains, this country was FAR more armed earlier in its history than it is today. you didn't see kids shooting up their classrooms during the american revolution. but i gurantee you more kids had easy access to firearms then than they do now. so, what has changed?

the cultural experiment that is the 0 parent household is an economic success and an epic failure in the eyes of society.

the kid who did this in va tech., columbine, and every other situaiton where kids kill. you have warning sign after warning sign after warning sign. this dudes creative writing teacher of all people recommended him to counseling! if that doesn't scream problem i don't know what does! you can't tell me for a second the parents didn't have warning signs readily available. they either failed to interpret, ignored, or weren't enough apart of the kids life to be aware.

the kid is writing papers and turning them in to people he doesn't know that are so far off the wall he is recommended for counseling. if that isn't a perfect example of the kid begging for help i don't know what is. im sure there will be those who say, "but he was in college, how much could the parents know"? people, this didn't happen overnight. he didn't just wake up one day and decide to be so unhappy with his life he not only wanted to end it, but take a shitload of people with him on the way out. this was a long slow process from bright ray o sunshine to killing 30+ people in cold blood. either noone noticed or noone give a shit. either way, that is a sad statement for any society.
 
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scooter1369;814163; said:
Reduce the risk, maybe? If only one in 2,000,000 students was to shoot up a school, then bringing in 2,000,000 foreign students increases your gunmen by one.
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Just sticking with the numbers thing.

If the allowance of foreign students in the US is contingent upon US students being allowed to study outside the US, doesn't that lower the odds by whatever chance there is of a US student going on a shooting spree on foreign soil?

Unless the thought is that students on foreign soil are more likely to have such an incident than domestic students, in which case the likelihood goes up in both cases.
 
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Just really sad this had to happen. How sick does a man have to be to actually do this? He is a coward and I hope he is burning in hell right now. I have a couple friends that go to Virginia Tech but I have no idea what their phone numbers are. They are more friends of my brother but I hope that they are ok. Just an act of cowardness. Thoughts and prayers are with the families.
 
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