Jeffcat
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OSUsushichic;813991; said:link?
i have my mysterious ways

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OSUsushichic;813991; said:link?
scooter1369;813996; said:If we had denied him entry, would he have been able to to kill 32 people yesterday?
Jeffcat;814008; said:why not just deny every caucasian person entry in the US. better yet lets boot them all out of the US so we dont have another columbine, peduka, oklahoma city, unibomber, etc.
Jeffcat;814024; said:in other words unoccupy this entire land that is the country of the united states?
NIcely done !OSUsushichic;813989; said:That's all you can say, because you'll lose that debate every time. It's just idiotic to think this incident stems from allowing foreign students to study at our great universities.
Jeffcat;813958; said:but i could also say the same vice versa. the students are in a state of confusion and a guy is killing people and they have no clue what is going on or what his motive is or who he is after and on and on.
its not surprising that they would think otherwise and say 1: do nothing and you will likely die and 2: fight back and you WILL die. now this is not as hopeless as it may seem because many of the students went to step 3 and avoided the situation altogether by barricading doors, playing dead, jumping out of windows, etc.
Then what are you saying? Please explain how nationality is somehow relevant to these crimes.scooter1369;814028; said:Why not. Make up your meaning to what I said. Its a trend today.
jwinslow;814037; said:Then what are you saying? Please explain how nationality is somehow relevant to these crimes.
Jeffcat just rattled off a long list of similar psychos that were homegrown caucasians, including the most relevant example, Columbine.
That doesn't answer the question. This was a random act of violence, one that is done by many nationalities. What is the use in singling him out as a foreigner? How is that productive for finding a solution to prevent this from happening again?scooter1369;814051; said:But these home grown caucasians are our problem. Had Son Chop stayed in Korea to go to school, he'd be their problem, not ours.
martinss01;814033; said:motive has no relevance. anyone who discharges a weapon in your presence is a threat to your survival and it must be assumed that they intend to take your life regardless of who the current target is. the fact that they discharged the weapon in your presence is proof of that. if you were standing in a room with concrete walls with a guy randomly firing a weapon in any direction would your first point of concern be why he was doing it? or would you be more interested in taking action to preserve your life for fear of being struck by a ricochet?
1. you don't load a weapon unless you intend to fire it.
2. you don't point it at someone/something unless you intend to kill.
if you walk into a convenience store, pull a gun on the clerk, and demand money im not going to wait around to see if you intend to kill the witnesses as well. your actions are proof to me that you have 0 value in your life, mine, the clerks and anyone elses within weapon range. if you don't value your life, why should i?
i can point out about 50 instances in which that mindset failed miserably. while not the most heroic of options, those who at the very least barricaded the doors took action. which i might add, saved not only their lives, but the lives of everyone else in those rooms. had they ran rather than stand their ground and do something, there is a very good chance that they and several others from those rooms would have died as well.
while barricading the doors put them in direct danger as the nutjob fired blindly into them, they seemed to have faired far better than those who played dead, prayed they weren't the intended target, hoped he ran out of ammo, etc...
im not saying its fool proof or the safest of things to do. but given the option of taking my life into my own hands or putting it into the hands of a nutjob and hoping...
Thump;814089; said:The shooter:
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