Multiple shootings at Va Tech

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CNN.com

The gunman who killed 30 people at Virginia Tech's Norris Hall before turning the gun on himself was student Cho Seung-hui, university police Chief Wendell Flinchum said Tuesday.

University officials said they were still trying to determine whether Cho was responsible for an earlier shooting at a dormitory that left two dead.

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A department of Homeland Security official said Cho came to the United States in 1992, through Detroit, Michigan. He had lawful permanent residence, via his parents, and renewed his green card in October 2003, the official said.

His residence was listed as Centreville, Virginia, a suburb of Washington, D.C.

He was under 10 years old when he migrated to the US with his family.

 

[Jeffcat]

That doesn't answer the question. This was a random act of violence, one that is done by many nationalities. What is the use in singling him out as a foreigner? How is that productive for finding a solution to prevent this from happening again?

How many generations do you have to live here before you are 'our problem'? Almost every american is a descendent from them.

exactly. i am from german descent from way back and that doesn't make me american? its wrong to single out nationalities in situations like this. we dont look at mcveigh as an irish person or the unibomber as a german but as an american. cho, the american, killed other americans of foreign descent much like librescu who was an israeli holocaust survivor. the guy is an american just like everybody else and its irrelevant to think his original nationality had anything to do with the shooting. if anybody wants to say otherwise then i would like to see proof.

 

[scooter1369]

All of the info the previous post makes a difference. He's been here damn near his whole life. I was under the impresion he was here to, like so many other students, earn his degree and then return to his homeland.

 

[FCollinsBuckeye]

I predict there will be a push to restrict firearm purchases by green card holders...

A worthless and symbolic bandaid, imo.

 

[jwinslow]

All of the info the previous post makes a difference. He's been here damn near his whole life. I was under the impresion he was here to, like so many other students, earn his degree and then return to his homeland.

Why? Where is the cause and effect? How does his nationality affect this incident at all?

Causes : Effect

Guns : Easy access led to much easier & efficient killing.

Emotional Stability/Life experiences (triggers) : The individual snapped, and went on a murdering spree.

Nationality : ________________ ???!

 

[scooter1369]

I predict there will be a push to restrict firearm purchases by green card holders...

A worthless and symbolic bandaid, imo.

yup. People who buy guns legally and forthright account for a small percentage of people responsible for firearm deaths

 

[Jeffcat]

All of the info the previous post makes a difference. He's been here damn near his whole life. I was under the impresion he was here to, like so many other students, earn his degree and then return to his homeland.

well either way you can not deny international students means to an education. american universities study abroad and students from america study abroad so we can't simply take and not give. its mutual and in no manner related to violence to do so.

 

[scooter1369]

Why? Where is the cause and effect? How does his nationality affect this incident at all?

Causes of Violence:

Guns? Easy access led to much easier & efficient killing.

Attitude? Something causes these individuals to snap.

Nationality? ____________

Maybe because we've already seen it once where "students" came over here for the sole purpose of killing Americans.

 

[OCBucksFan]

I predict there will be a push to restrict firearm purchases by green card holders...

A worthless and symbolic bandaid, imo.

Yeah, I figure gun control, video games and immigration policies will be some of the topics that people bring up in regards to this issue. Also will be "campus security" and "are our children safe."

However, I don't see what they can effectively do to "prevent something like this from ever happening again."

When does safety cross the lines of freedom? Are parents and students going to accept the natural overboard reactions people are going to cry out for? Metal detectors and mandatory searches at campus entrances, would you accept that?

We'll see how it all plays out, I just hate the natural progression of blame that always occurs when an incident happens in this country. Right now my heart goes out to the families of 31 students for I couldn't even begin to comprehend their sorrow and confusion.

 

[jwinslow]

Maybe because we've already seen it once where "students" came over here for the sole purpose of killing Americans.

So this situation (before you knew he was a resident) compared better to your referenced event than columbine? How so?

Please explain what event you're referring to...

 

[Fungo Squiggly]

what about our poverty rate?

Our health care insured rate?

Heck, look at our infant mortality rate which lags behind almost EVERY industrialized nation.

There are plenty of disturbing facts about this great nation...

Preaching to the choir, Tibs.

 

[scooter1369]

So this situation (before you knew he was a resident) compared better to your referenced event than columbine? How so?

Please explain what event you're referring to...

So you're saying that if we can't eliminate all violence (random or planned) don't eliminate any?

Since we couldn't prevent Coumbine, we shouldn't enact means to prevent 9/11?

 

[Jeffcat]

Maybe because we've already seen it once where "students" came over here for the sole purpose of killing Americans.

i don't know of any students who came over here to solely kill americans because it has yet to happen to my knowledge. now if you are referring to terrorists then that is a different story. international students are just like any other person and their sole purpose for coming to the US was to get an education or study abroad...not kill americans.

 

[jwinslow]

So you're saying that if we can't eliminate all violence (random or planned) don't eliminate any?

Since we couldn't prevent Coumbine, we shouldn't enact means to prevent 9/11?

Yes scooter, I'm all for anarchy and bloodshed.

Answer my question, how does this compare to 9/11? Is there a country behind him? Was his goal to make americans across the country cower in fear?
Or did he just snap and shoot up his school, like Columbine?

The only connection I see is that both groups aren't white.

 

[scooter1369]

i don't know of any students who came over here to solely kill americans because it has yet to happen to my knowledge. now if you are referring to terrorists then that is a different story. international students are just like any other person and their sole purpose for coming to the US was to get an education or study abroad...not kill americans.

Yes. I'm speaking of 9/11. They came over here as students, they learned to fly planes here and then used that knowledge to kill Americans. It was their plan all along.

Its not what happened yesterday, but it could tomorrow.