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MLB General Discussion (Official Thread)

Well, since we're on the subject...


Good times. We've had some good ones against the Whiny Bitches too


"Whiny bitches" seems to depend on ones perspective. :pirate:

It's cool, Reds fans. I actually find basebrawls hilarious. Especially this one:

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Starting Pitching’s Downward Spiral Shows No Sign of Slowing​

Don’t blame PitchCom or the pitch timer. The value of starters has been declining for the last decade, and pitch counts and six-man rotations are partially to blame.

Now, a word about the state of starting pitching: abysmal.

Injuries, six-man rotations and the curtailing of workloads are continuing a decade-long trend of sapping the glamour out of the role, not to mention the effectiveness.

As former GM and pitcher Ed Lynch likes to say, pitcher is the only position in sports for which we build a literal pedestal. For many years the biggest draw to sell tickets was simply the starting pitching matchup. Now, starting pitching is increasingly a losing proposition. A starting pitcher’s main job in today’s game is to navigate twice through the lineup and not blow up the game, or as starting pitchers love to say, “Give my team a chance to win.” The bar keeps getting lower.

Here is the state of starting pitching:

  • Starting pitchers this year have posted the fourth-worst winning percentage since 1901 (.476). With a 4.45 ERA, only twice before in the past 123 years have starters had such a high ERA and such a low win percentage (2019 and ’20).
  • Starters account for only 59% of wins, down from 70% in 2014. Fewer innings mean fewer wins.
  • From 2014 to this year, the percentage of quality starts (at least six innings with no more than three earned runs) has dropped from 54% to 35%.
  • The average starting pitcher faces 22.2 batters. Twenty years ago, it was 25.4. Thirty years ago, it was 26.2.
  • In the first 1,406 starts this year (29% of the season), no pitcher threw more than 115 pitches in a game. In 2016 there were 26 starts through the same date with more than 115 pitches.
  • From 2015 to ’22, starts lasting at least seven innings were cut in half. The percentage of such starts is down again this year:
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  • Teams have used 232 starters already this season—more than any full season from 1901 through ’74. From 2014 to ’21, qualified pitchers (at least one inning for every team game, or 162 innings for a full season) fell 56% to an all-time low of 39.
  • In just the past decade, clubs have made a significant reduction in how often they use starters. Only 29.7% of starts are made with four days of rest. Ten years ago, it was 49.4%. Get used to it: Five days is normal rest, not four. Teams prefer to scramble to find a sixth starter (most have trouble finding a fifth) rather than pitch someone on the fifth day. Teams with the fewest starts on four days’ rest are the Brewers (10), Angels (11), Mets and Padres (13), and Guardians and Mariners (15).
  • As workload drops, injuries mount. Teams have placed 98 starting pitchers on the IL this year at a sunk cost of $110 million (and on pace for a record $381 million), according to Spotrac data. That’s more starting pitchers already on the IL this year than over the entire 2016 season (95).
  • The odds of a starting pitcher going on the IL are nearly the same as a flip of the coin:

Starting Pitchers​

Year IL ALL Pct.
2023 98 232 42.2%
2022 167 367 45.5%
2021 175 396 44.2%
2020 88 294 30%
2019 115 368 31.3%
2018 117 343 34.1%
2017 106 315 33.7%
2016 95 310 30.6%
2015 72 313 23.0%
  • The Dodgers, Rockies, Royals and Tigers all have five starting pitchers on the IL. Among the top starters on the IL are Jacob deGrom, Julio Urías, Carlos Rodón, Max Fried, Brandon Woodruff, Robbie Ray, Walker Buehler and Hyun Jin Ryu.
Baseball is very different from what it was in, say, the 1970s and ’80s. There is more size, power, training, technology, knowledge and inventory with pitching to sensibly move away from the days of starters throwing complete games and 250 innings a year. The point here is that baseball has moved so fast in just the past 10 seasons as to redefine starting pitching. We’re talking just within the career of someone like deGrom. Here is what massive change looks like:

Starting Pitching Comparison​

Year Win Pct. ERA Pct of Ws QS 7+IP Starts Pitches/GS
2014 .498 3.82 70.2% 54% 31.4% 96
2023 .476 4.45 59.0% 35% 11.2% 87
The change has happened fast. Starting pitchers pitch less often, throw fewer pitches when they do, make fewer quality starts and win less often—by a lot.

Why is that? It’s a host of factors. Once science equated fatigue with injury risk, teams went overboard with governors on their pitchers, especially in how they train pitchers before they get to the majors. Urías, for instance, has thrown only four 100-pitch games in his first 111 starts—and never more than 101. At the same juncture, Gerrit Cole had thrown 100 pitches 54 times. Urías has never recorded an out after the seventh inning, yet will strike it rich as a free agent this winter.
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Entire article: https://www.si.com/mlb/2023/05/22/starting-pitching-decline-pitch-count-timer-injuries

Just sayin': Bob Gibson must be rolling over in his grave the way the starting pitcher has evolved in MLB today:

 
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George Kirby came into tonight having allowed only 3 HRs in his 9 starts. The Pirates had only hit 9 home runs in the month of May.

So, of course, the Pirates took Kirby deep 4 times in less than five innings because baseball.

Should've seen this coming, after hitting 7 homers on Friday the Pirates were shut out on Saturday. Fucking baseball, man.
 
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