ESPN talking heads are saying that two more of Vick's co defendants will make plea bargains soon and tesify that Vick financed the whole operation.
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Wow. The feds have really got him in a corner now. I can't believe he'd get acquitted by a jury if all 3 of his (former) buddies testify against him.
He may decide to plead guilty now - if he gets a deal where he does less than 12 months behind bars.
He may decide to plead guilty now - if he gets a deal where he does less than 12 months behind bars.
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If what they are reporting now is true, if he doesn't plea out by the end of this week, he'll probably be facing additional charges and an additional indictment.
Damn.
Damn.
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OSUBasketballJunkie
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Only Vick faces trial possibility
Co-defendants to plead guilty in dogfighting case
Tuesday, August 14, 2007 3:26 AM
From wire reports
GAIL BURTON Associated Press
The Ravens' Steve McNair completed 6 of 8 passes for 73 yards, including a 6-yard TD pass to tight end Quinn Sypniewski.
By Friday, Michael Vick could be the last one standing.
The Atlanta Falcons quarterback's remaining two co-defendants have set court dates for later this week to change their pleas to guilty in federal conspiracy charges related to dogfighting.
Purnell A. Peace, 35, of Virginia Beach, Va., is scheduled to enter a plea Thursday at 9 a.m. before District Judge Henry E. Hudson in Richmond, Va. Quanis Phillips, 28, of Atlanta, is scheduled to enter his plea the following morning.
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Ginn4Heisman
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whats the odds on vick taking the plea?
and what kind of sentence do you think he will get if he takes the plea?
i say he takes the plea and gets 90 days in jail, a huge fine and say 500+ hours of community service.
and what kind of sentence do you think he will get if he takes the plea?
i say he takes the plea and gets 90 days in jail, a huge fine and say 500+ hours of community service.
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BuckeyeMike80;902442; said:
I tihnk Vick needs to get an outside legal opiinion. His lawyer has an incentive to go to trial; that would allow him to bill thousands of hours and get a ton of nationwide publicity. If I owned the Falcons, I'd be talking to other legal experts in order to make educated decisions about my multimillion dollar investment.
I testified in federal court once - our company's Washington, D.C. lawyers kept saying we would win the case - I went through dry-run testimony that was videotaped and then critiqued - and we lost the (restraint of trade) case. But the lawyers billed a ton of hours, and in retrospect, their recommendations seemed to be somewhat based on their own business interests.
I'm not saying that many high-priced lawyers aren't trying to work on behalf of their clients, and are only out for themselves. But even if the lawyers believe that they have a good chance to win the case, they may not be seeing it objectively due to strong incentives that may be different from their client's best interests.
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OCBucksFan
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BB73;902771; said:
A lawyer is in court for one person, themselves. That's it, the bigger the trial, the larger the pay-off, but at this point I can't see why any lawyer would be pushing this case. If this case goes to court he's risking everything his client, Vick, has.
Everyone except Vick has said "yeah, we did it, he's involved" it's going to be a pretty quick trial, the only option there is to try and question the credibility of the witnesses, but it's no longer one person, now you have to convince a jury that 3 people are all lying? Or are all not credible?
Aaah well, either way I am glad San Diego did that trade, sorry Falcons fans.
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sandgk
Watson, Crick & A Twist
The other thing to consider though, is what does Vick have to offer should he choose to plead?
Option 1 - he knows nothing more than that which the other 3 co-defendants, or the earlier witnesses lined up the Feds, know. In this case pleading out benefits him only if it is presented as a "I've learned my lesson" presentation. Mercy of the court, perhaps a reduced sentence.
Option 2 - there are other parties across other state lines, or not yet nailed by the Feds, that Vick has information upon. Then he has a real bargaining chip, but would have to offer up testimony in future trials.
In either instance though, this does not get Vick of the hook. It would simply put him on a smaller hook, shorter sentence likely resulting (especially as a 1st time offender).
Like BB73 said, time for that outside opinion.
Option 1 - he knows nothing more than that which the other 3 co-defendants, or the earlier witnesses lined up the Feds, know. In this case pleading out benefits him only if it is presented as a "I've learned my lesson" presentation. Mercy of the court, perhaps a reduced sentence.
Option 2 - there are other parties across other state lines, or not yet nailed by the Feds, that Vick has information upon. Then he has a real bargaining chip, but would have to offer up testimony in future trials.
In either instance though, this does not get Vick of the hook. It would simply put him on a smaller hook, shorter sentence likely resulting (especially as a 1st time offender).
Like BB73 said, time for that outside opinion.
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ORD_Buckeye
Wrong glass, Sir.
BB73;902771; said:
An interesting thought. While I disagree with the Falcons helping Vick on his defense on the simple grounds of basic human decency. I would have to say that helping is a bad financial decision. If I'm the Falcons ownership, the last thing that I want is to have the slightest perception that I'm out there working on behalf of Vick's defense. Michael Vick is the face of criminal dog fighting in America now, and the best long term strategy is to distance yourself and your organization from him--not be seen as trying to help him get off. Isn't their owner the founder of Home Depot? If I were him, I would be looking very closely at how successful the Humane Society's lobbying campaign was with Vick's sponsors and be very worried about a similar effort towards Home Depot.
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actually...when Vick started being a fuckwad he was totally fucked. Which was long, long ago.
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ORD_Buckeye
Wrong glass, Sir.
sandgk;902853; said:
Good point. Why, with all the other defendants pleading combined with the national outrage that this case has provoked, does the prosecutor have any incentive to give Vick a lenient sentence on a plea? He's facing up to 6 years, and given the circumstances and publicity of the case, I can't see a prosecutor letting him plea that down to less than 3 without serious repurcussions.
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methomps
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Vick attorneys negotiating plea
Falcons QB would serve prison time if agreement reached
By D. ORLANDO LEDBETTER, BILL RANKIN
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Published on: 08/14/07
Michael Vick's attorneys are engaged in plea negotiations with federal prosecutors and the Falcons quarterback could reach an agreement before new dogfighting charges are handed down next week, according to a person with knowledge of the negotiations.
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If the announcement is that Vick has reached a plea agreement, the embattled star quarterback is expected to be sentenced to some time in prison, according to federal sentencing guidelines.
Falcons QB would serve prison time if agreement reached
By D. ORLANDO LEDBETTER, BILL RANKIN
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Published on: 08/14/07
Michael Vick's attorneys are engaged in plea negotiations with federal prosecutors and the Falcons quarterback could reach an agreement before new dogfighting charges are handed down next week, according to a person with knowledge of the negotiations.
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If the announcement is that Vick has reached a plea agreement, the embattled star quarterback is expected to be sentenced to some time in prison, according to federal sentencing guidelines.
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