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The Man
The truth
Maybe you should read back through the thread, I stopped defending Vick (the human, not the player) quite awhile ago.OSUsushichic;890416; said:WTF??? My post has nothing to do with PETA. Keep deflecting attention from your "man."
Many of the dog owners in my neighborhood alone had written Nike at least once. I can't imagine how many letters they received. I'm happy to know that it might have helped.
I find it hard to believe people in Boston don't have better things to do than write a large company letters, many of which are never even opened.
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Taylor entering a plea bargain is a huge development in Vick's case. It's hard to believe he's getting a deal on his sentence unless he's going to testify against Vick.
Vick's high-priced lawyer can try to rip Taylor on the stand, but a negative portrayal of Taylor can be a double-edged sword, since he hung out with Vick.
Vick's high-priced lawyer can try to rip Taylor on the stand, but a negative portrayal of Taylor can be a double-edged sword, since he hung out with Vick.
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cincibuck
You kids stay off my lawn!
In December of 1979 my wife and I bought a run down Victorian three story and became the first Euro - Americans to re-enter the Nassau - Eden neighborhood of Cincinnati. N - E was an early part of Walnut Hills and at one time a street car line ran down our street, connecting the Mt. Adams incline with the Cincinnati Zoological Gardens some five miles away.
That summer I cleared out much of the underbrush, weeds, and trash in our back yard and we discovered that our back yard neighbor was kenneling, training and fighting pit bulls. His run was a patch work quilt of old boards, odd sections of chain link fence and a few pieces of plywood of various sizes, shapes and thicknesses. I stood on a ladder and counted something like 16 dogs in what had to be less than a 50 foot by 70 foot back lot.
That day we began a legal battle that took us something like two years to win. We went through the SPCA, the Health Department (you can't imagine the stench from 16 dogs on a hot summer day), Police, Cincinnati Housing Authority (it was on section 8 property) and finally city council where our testimony was vital in passing an anti-pit bull law. In the process we found out that there simply aren't many laws on the on the books with regard to pets and animals and the few that were there carried light penanties. If you wanted to keep 20 dogs in your back yard, you didn't have to do much to be able to do so.
Steve (the owner of the pit bulls) first pleaded with us to let up, claiming he needed the 16 dogs, "to protect my property." Then he threatened us. It got pretty ugly and there were days when I was glad I had my military .45 in the closet of our bedroom.
Steve lived in one of a series of row houses on Fulton Street. Friends two doors down from him had a big German Shepard that we saw frequently on the back steps. Then the German Shepard disappeared and a Collie took its place. The Collie was soon gone and a good sized Golden Retriever resided. They were on their sixth big dog when we finally figured out what was going on, these were bait dogs, big dogs stolen to train the pit bulls. They would "pick up" a stray, (you don't think these folks would steal someone's dog do you?) keep it for a few days, and then turn it over to Steve. The big dogs, especially bird dogs like retrivers, were no threat to the pit bulls and I'm sure were torn apart very quickly. None of them ever returned. Even Dobies and Rotweillers (of which several were seen) are no match for a trained pit bull. I used my telephoto lens to begin taking pictures of the parade of dogs on their back steps.
Steve (his real name) kept a treadmill on which he exercised his dogs and a 4 X 8 sheet of 3/4 ply with a six inch hole in it about 1/3 of the way down from the top. On this he kept a small tire (like one you might see on a Vespa motor scooter) on a chain. He would get the dog to lock its jaws on the tire while he stood on the other side of the plywood and yanked the chain up and down... getting the dog to hold his grip even while yanked off of its feet. The plywood kept Steve from getting scratched by the dog. He would keep the dog locked on the tire for as long as a half hour at a time, probably as long as Steve could hold the dog off the ground.
At one point in time we sat and watched as one of his dogs got loose and chewed its way through the bottom half of our wooden stockade fence and damn near got into our back yard before the police arrived. Steve ran over two days later, all apologetic and replaced the fence section the next day. He'd been "out of town on business," when this took place.
The city passed it's ordnance and Steve and his dogs disappeared that night. In the morning we found a female pit bull and three of her pups in a vacant lot just one house down. The mother was tied to a steel post and the pups were free to roam. This was a lot used by kids to get from Fulton to Sinton Ave, our street. It was a hot summer day, the dog was agitated and protective of her pups and there had been two cases of children being mauled by pit bulls in the recent past in Cincinnati. The police and SPCA came and collected the dogs and I assume destroyed them.
What I witnessed was merely the tip of the iceberg in the world of dog fighting, but it was enough to turn my stomach. The callousness and arrogance of the dog fighters was not limited to their dogs, but to anyone who had the misfortune of living near them.
That summer I cleared out much of the underbrush, weeds, and trash in our back yard and we discovered that our back yard neighbor was kenneling, training and fighting pit bulls. His run was a patch work quilt of old boards, odd sections of chain link fence and a few pieces of plywood of various sizes, shapes and thicknesses. I stood on a ladder and counted something like 16 dogs in what had to be less than a 50 foot by 70 foot back lot.
That day we began a legal battle that took us something like two years to win. We went through the SPCA, the Health Department (you can't imagine the stench from 16 dogs on a hot summer day), Police, Cincinnati Housing Authority (it was on section 8 property) and finally city council where our testimony was vital in passing an anti-pit bull law. In the process we found out that there simply aren't many laws on the on the books with regard to pets and animals and the few that were there carried light penanties. If you wanted to keep 20 dogs in your back yard, you didn't have to do much to be able to do so.
Steve (the owner of the pit bulls) first pleaded with us to let up, claiming he needed the 16 dogs, "to protect my property." Then he threatened us. It got pretty ugly and there were days when I was glad I had my military .45 in the closet of our bedroom.
Steve lived in one of a series of row houses on Fulton Street. Friends two doors down from him had a big German Shepard that we saw frequently on the back steps. Then the German Shepard disappeared and a Collie took its place. The Collie was soon gone and a good sized Golden Retriever resided. They were on their sixth big dog when we finally figured out what was going on, these were bait dogs, big dogs stolen to train the pit bulls. They would "pick up" a stray, (you don't think these folks would steal someone's dog do you?) keep it for a few days, and then turn it over to Steve. The big dogs, especially bird dogs like retrivers, were no threat to the pit bulls and I'm sure were torn apart very quickly. None of them ever returned. Even Dobies and Rotweillers (of which several were seen) are no match for a trained pit bull. I used my telephoto lens to begin taking pictures of the parade of dogs on their back steps.
Steve (his real name) kept a treadmill on which he exercised his dogs and a 4 X 8 sheet of 3/4 ply with a six inch hole in it about 1/3 of the way down from the top. On this he kept a small tire (like one you might see on a Vespa motor scooter) on a chain. He would get the dog to lock its jaws on the tire while he stood on the other side of the plywood and yanked the chain up and down... getting the dog to hold his grip even while yanked off of its feet. The plywood kept Steve from getting scratched by the dog. He would keep the dog locked on the tire for as long as a half hour at a time, probably as long as Steve could hold the dog off the ground.
At one point in time we sat and watched as one of his dogs got loose and chewed its way through the bottom half of our wooden stockade fence and damn near got into our back yard before the police arrived. Steve ran over two days later, all apologetic and replaced the fence section the next day. He'd been "out of town on business," when this took place.
The city passed it's ordnance and Steve and his dogs disappeared that night. In the morning we found a female pit bull and three of her pups in a vacant lot just one house down. The mother was tied to a steel post and the pups were free to roam. This was a lot used by kids to get from Fulton to Sinton Ave, our street. It was a hot summer day, the dog was agitated and protective of her pups and there had been two cases of children being mauled by pit bulls in the recent past in Cincinnati. The police and SPCA came and collected the dogs and I assume destroyed them.
What I witnessed was merely the tip of the iceberg in the world of dog fighting, but it was enough to turn my stomach. The callousness and arrogance of the dog fighters was not limited to their dogs, but to anyone who had the misfortune of living near them.
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OSUsushichic
Fired up! Ready to go!
The Man;890499; said:Maybe you should read back through the thread, I stopped defending Vick (the human, not the player) quite awhile ago.
Keep on believing that your voice doesn't matter. Do you think Nike would have suspended Vick's deal if people had not forced them to? One of my neighbors wrote the NFL, Nike, and a few other companies that Vick was connected to, and Nike was the only one to respond to her. They were reading the correspondence. Hence the action they took.
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Nike goes where the money is just like every other big business. If enough public displeasure is shown they go that way , if not then they don't.
It's all about the money.
It's all about the money.
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Vick memorabilia, trading card yanked from market
CARLSBAD, Calif. (AP) ? Upper Deck has removed all Michael Vick autographed memorabilia from its online store and will remove the indicted quarterback's trading card from NFL sets that are scheduled to be released in October.
The announcement by the San Diego County company came a day after Nike suspended its lucrative contract with Vick and Reebok took the unprecedented step of stopping sales of his No. 7 jersey.
Another trading card company, Donruss, announced it was pulling Vick's likeness from any new packs.
"Of course we appreciate the fact that Mr. Vick is innocent until proven guilty, but the allegations alone have resulted in an outpouring of very strong emotion within our organization and among the collecting community," Kerri Stockholm, Upper Deck's director of marketing, said in a statement.
"We believe collectors will agree and support this decision as being the best course of action for our football business."
CARLSBAD, Calif. (AP) ? Upper Deck has removed all Michael Vick autographed memorabilia from its online store and will remove the indicted quarterback's trading card from NFL sets that are scheduled to be released in October.
The announcement by the San Diego County company came a day after Nike suspended its lucrative contract with Vick and Reebok took the unprecedented step of stopping sales of his No. 7 jersey.
Another trading card company, Donruss, announced it was pulling Vick's likeness from any new packs.
"Of course we appreciate the fact that Mr. Vick is innocent until proven guilty, but the allegations alone have resulted in an outpouring of very strong emotion within our organization and among the collecting community," Kerri Stockholm, Upper Deck's director of marketing, said in a statement.
"We believe collectors will agree and support this decision as being the best course of action for our football business."
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scooter1369
HTTR Forever.
sandgk;891167; said:
Just heard on Robin & Company that the NAACP is going to hold a press conference on the Vick case.
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