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Mike Stoops (Okla Co-DC, former Arizona HC)

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localyokel;2055394; said:
I must be scanning too fast--I can't find this statement on the wiki page.

You do get some hits if you search "Stoops to Nebraska", but they all seem to lead to posts on various fansite forums...and we all know how unreliable rumors on fan forums are. :wink:
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So does this mean fan forums ARE reliable?
 
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If Coach Stoops honors loyalty above other things, he'll be in Lincoln. If he honors winning above loyalty (to an extent), he'll be in Columbus.

Not saying that anybody in Ohio State isn't loyal, or anything. Just saying that the Pelini and Stoops families are extremely close. Hopefully that gives us the edge in getting him..
 
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alexhortdog95;2057957; said:
Not saying that anybody in Ohio State isn't loyal, or anything. Just saying that the Pelini and Stoops families are extremely close. Hopefully that gives us the edge in getting him..
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And both families are Ohio born and bred...never underestimate that.
 
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alexhortdog95;2057957; said:
If Coach Stoops honors loyalty above other things, he'll be in Lincoln. If he honors winning above loyalty (to an extent), he'll be in Columbus.

Not saying that anybody in Ohio State isn't loyal, or anything. Just saying that the Pelini and Stoops families are extremely close. Hopefully that gives us the edge in getting him..
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Loyalty? I think you're using the wrong word there. If he values friendship, he'll go to Lincoln. If he loves money, he'll come here. Both programs will get to do a lot of winning.
 
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southcampus;2057966; said:
Loyalty? I think you're using the wrong word there. If he values friendship, he'll go to Lincoln. If he loves money, he'll come here. Both programs will get to do a lot of winning.
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I watched a young head coach get lamblasted for retaining an assistant coach on his staff that his predecessor had put a lot of stock in. When that saim assistant coach took extreme amounts of media backlash (along with that young head coach), the head coach had a chance to fire him.

he had no obligations at the time when he took the job to that assistant. But since that guy seemed to buy into what he was selling, he not only didn't fire that guy (let his contract lapse), he helped the guy find another job and land on is feet. That's the kind of loyalty Mark Pelini has towards the guys under his charge. He caught much hell for that here.

And that assistant coach? Shawn Watson. Pains me to even say the guy's name. Bo helped the guy land on his feet at Louisville under Charlie Strong. That's the kind of loyalty I'm banking on for him to come here.
 
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IMO, Stoops is either going to take an HC gig somewhere or come here for a few seasons before his next move.

To say he would come here for money over loyalty is asinine... Bo's loyalty would understand if OSU was the next best thing for Mikes career. He's not betraying anyone by boosting his resume.
 
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alexhortdog95;2057957; said:
If Coach Stoops honors loyalty above other things, he'll be in Lincoln. If he honors winning above loyalty (to an extent), he'll be in Columbus.

Not saying that anybody in Ohio State isn't loyal, or anything. Just saying that the Pelini and Stoops families are extremely close. Hopefully that gives us the edge in getting him..
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There are different ways to define loyalty. You've identified one of them, but that certainly isn't the only way. Your post, as a Nebraska fan, suggests that Coach Stoops is a disloyal person if he elects to go to OSU instead of Nebraska, and that isn't fair to Coach Stoops.
 
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buckeyesin07;2057989; said:
There are different ways to define loyalty. You've identified one of them, but that certainly isn't the only way. Your post, as a Nebraska fan, suggests that Coach Stoops is a disloyal person if he elects to go to OSU instead of Nebraska, and that isn't fair to Coach Stoops.
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I said "Not saying that anybody in Ohio State isn't loyal, or anything. Just saying that the Pelini and Stoops families are extremely close. Hopefully that gives us the edge in getting him.."

This has NOTHING to do with disloyalty. I'm only speaking on the relationship between the Pelinis and Stoops families. That's it.

Stop putting words in my mouth. You're the only one who saw it that way.

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alexhortdog95;2057957; said:
If Coach Stoops honors loyalty above other things, he'll be in Lincoln. If he honors winning above loyalty (to an extent), he'll be in Columbus.

Not saying that anybody in Ohio State isn't loyal, or anything. Just saying that the Pelini and Stoops families are extremely close. Hopefully that gives us the edge in getting him..
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Here is your post. It follows logically speaking (look up contrapositive, if you don't believe me), that if Stoops doesn't end up in Lincoln then he doesn't honor loyalty above other things. QED, fella.

I never said (nor am I saying here) that you claimed OSU isn't loyal. Your post was all about Coach Stoops and wasn't (and still isn't) fair to him. BTW--read the responses to your post, and you'll see that several others who can also follow the rules of logic agree with my reading of your original post (hell, post #37 specifically says that you used the wrong word in using the word "loyalty").
 
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buckeyesin07;2058000; said:
Here is your post. It follows logically speaking (look up contrapositive, if you don't believe me), that if Stoops doesn't end up in Lincoln then he doesn't honor loyalty above other things. QED, fella.

I never said (nor am I saying here) that you claimed OSU isn't loyal. Your post was all about Coach Stoops and wasn't (and still isn't) fair to him. BTW--read the responses to your post, and you'll see that several others who can also follow the rules of logic agree with my reading of your original post.
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Not understanding what you're reading in response to MY posts...please clarify the responses to my post that show I am being unfair to Coach Stoops....? Not to mention when I said winning (to an extent) wasn't a dig at the guy. It was a compliment on the state of tOSU football. You guys are much, MUCH farther along and more capable of winning NOW than the Huskers are. Meyer is a guy who can win extremely fast.

Trying to logically dissect my statement full of opinion, is, in its own right, illogical.
 
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alexhortdog95;2058003; said:
Not understanding what you're reading in response to MY posts...please clarify the responses to my post that show I am being unfair to Coach Stoops....?
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Post #37 specifically calls you out as being wrong for using the term "loyal." Let me know if you have any other questions.
 
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