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Side gripe because his stupid comment is still infuriating under the circumstances. That Auto-Owner Insurance logo is the absolute worst I've ever seen. Hideous.
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And then magically all the sexual assault stuff will be on the front pages...but not until he retires, of course
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Oh, totally. But success often breeds hubris. And hubris is shuffling your dead dick offensive coaching staff around thinking that will fix the terminal issues with that side of the ball.
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It almost makes you wonder if there's skeletons in the closet preventing some firings and hirings... or if Dantonio and whoever their AD is just have no interpersonal skills whatsoever to go out and hire different people.
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It’s pretty well-documented there are skeletons in the closet...he just doesn’t have to answer for them until the season is over, which is likely why he will “retire”
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Guys there is a lot going on behind the scenes as I see it. And to be clear I am no insider or have not "heard" anything.
But a couple of things are sitting on the horizon.
1- in Jan 2020 Dantonio will be getting a 4 million dollar bonus. So you can bet your ass he will not be leaving until that kicks in. So plan on him announcing a day after that is gifted.
2- Dantonio has a rather nasty Deposition with a disgruntled former coach on the horizon. He was granted a reprieve in doing it until the season is over. But this former coach has gotten legal clearance to ask Dantonio about anything they would like. So you can plan on questions about anything questionable or unsavory to be on the docket. It benefits Coach and MSU to not have Dantonio the HC when this happens. It loses a bunch of momentum when his title is FORMER HC.
It seemed obvious to my friends and I that the lack of coaching changes after last season was due to the fact Dantonio was planning on retiring and was attempting to keep his buddies together for one last season. Much of his staff is at retirement age and if someone like Mike Tressel was put in place I doubt half of these guys would be retained. The game has changed. Look at the NFL. The read option and the running QBs have been slowly taking over. Not to say it will be a lasting trend unless they figure out a way to keep QBs from getting blown up when they run the ball (it feels like the rules are so QB centric that maybe this has happened already). MSU is 2-3 years behind the trend of changing the offense. The only way this style of offense works is if you have mostly NFL level O-Linemen and MSU does not have that caliber of linemen right now. Not to mention that regardless of Lewerke's rank and such he is not near the QB Cook or Cousins were before him. And would not even still be on the roster at tOSU.
If MSU is going to contend they must change the philosophy offensively and also get back to recruiting harder. The team is very thin upfront on both sides of the ball right now. And that is going to be an issue for 2-3 more years. Unless you can bring in 4-5 star players it takes that long to develop a 2-3 star guy. Not to mention unless you are getting players out of Texas or Ohio most players are just not even close for the college game coming out of HS. The coaching and schemes in most places are just that far behind. I can not even remember the last time a non-skill position player from the state of Michigan played right away at any D1 major college program. So the issues at MSU are a couple of years from getting fixed and this all has to happen with a new President and a very questionable AD in place. So MSU has the real chance of become really bad again.
Coach Dantonio put MSU back together but the hard headed approach he used to get MSU back together is now what is causing the program to regress. I recall some old proverb about greatest strength and weakness being an issue.....LOL. And it is so ironic that his comment about Pride drove MSU forward and now is what has likely caused the collapse.
But a couple of things are sitting on the horizon.
1- in Jan 2020 Dantonio will be getting a 4 million dollar bonus. So you can bet your ass he will not be leaving until that kicks in. So plan on him announcing a day after that is gifted.
2- Dantonio has a rather nasty Deposition with a disgruntled former coach on the horizon. He was granted a reprieve in doing it until the season is over. But this former coach has gotten legal clearance to ask Dantonio about anything they would like. So you can plan on questions about anything questionable or unsavory to be on the docket. It benefits Coach and MSU to not have Dantonio the HC when this happens. It loses a bunch of momentum when his title is FORMER HC.
It seemed obvious to my friends and I that the lack of coaching changes after last season was due to the fact Dantonio was planning on retiring and was attempting to keep his buddies together for one last season. Much of his staff is at retirement age and if someone like Mike Tressel was put in place I doubt half of these guys would be retained. The game has changed. Look at the NFL. The read option and the running QBs have been slowly taking over. Not to say it will be a lasting trend unless they figure out a way to keep QBs from getting blown up when they run the ball (it feels like the rules are so QB centric that maybe this has happened already). MSU is 2-3 years behind the trend of changing the offense. The only way this style of offense works is if you have mostly NFL level O-Linemen and MSU does not have that caliber of linemen right now. Not to mention that regardless of Lewerke's rank and such he is not near the QB Cook or Cousins were before him. And would not even still be on the roster at tOSU.
If MSU is going to contend they must change the philosophy offensively and also get back to recruiting harder. The team is very thin upfront on both sides of the ball right now. And that is going to be an issue for 2-3 more years. Unless you can bring in 4-5 star players it takes that long to develop a 2-3 star guy. Not to mention unless you are getting players out of Texas or Ohio most players are just not even close for the college game coming out of HS. The coaching and schemes in most places are just that far behind. I can not even remember the last time a non-skill position player from the state of Michigan played right away at any D1 major college program. So the issues at MSU are a couple of years from getting fixed and this all has to happen with a new President and a very questionable AD in place. So MSU has the real chance of become really bad again.
Coach Dantonio put MSU back together but the hard headed approach he used to get MSU back together is now what is causing the program to regress. I recall some old proverb about greatest strength and weakness being an issue.....LOL. And it is so ironic that his comment about Pride drove MSU forward and now is what has likely caused the collapse.
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and then they'll lose the D
Sparty reached apex Sparty under Dantonio.
Anyone good enough to do better will never stay long enough to see it happen (see Saban, Nick one each)
Quadrennial good club. That's the best they'll ever be for any appreciable length of time.
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I could not agree more with Jaxbuck. MSU is a school that at best will be good every 4 years. Or on average for football.
Lots of reasons for this: location, schools attitude towards football and sports in general, money available......ect.
It takes a serious commitment to be good year in and year out in college football. I am actually amazed at tOSU prolonged excellence. The recruiting that is happening at OSU is insane. Obviously being so far South helps, also having such a serious commitment to football also helps. But the bottom line is that they win consistently, year in and year out and they are also putting a shit ton of players into the NFL. Which the NFL part is as big as the winning part now a days.
MSU needs to reload and my hope is that Tressel gets the job. MSU is not a place that a highly motivated big time coach is likely to stay. MSU is basically a region recruiting University. Even basketball that has been very good to elite at times in general only recruits regionally. This is changing a bit but that is because I think Izzo is desperate to win a second Natty and has realized he needs more fire power to make that happen.
So having a Midwest guy take over the program who loves the University who can put a decent product on the field would be good for me anyway. A Pat Fitzgerald type guy who can get a bit better results. I think MSU is basically Wisky or Iowa. I feel those are the best examples. Right now the only schools I think that could give OSU a serious run at being the dominate team in the B10 is SCum, PSU, or Neb. I realize that all 3 seem to be lacking but if we are talking about programs with the drive and focus to get at the level of OSU you would have to look at those 3 programs who in the past have shown this type of drive for success.
I would actually question SCum being in that group as the one program that has not in the last 70 years shown the interest in being a true National power. 1 partial NC hardly qualifies you as a program that is a National power. While NEb, PSU, and tOSU have all won multiple NC in the last 40 years. But SCum spends the money and has the name to attract the players needed. They just do not seem able to deliver.
Lots of reasons for this: location, schools attitude towards football and sports in general, money available......ect.
It takes a serious commitment to be good year in and year out in college football. I am actually amazed at tOSU prolonged excellence. The recruiting that is happening at OSU is insane. Obviously being so far South helps, also having such a serious commitment to football also helps. But the bottom line is that they win consistently, year in and year out and they are also putting a shit ton of players into the NFL. Which the NFL part is as big as the winning part now a days.
MSU needs to reload and my hope is that Tressel gets the job. MSU is not a place that a highly motivated big time coach is likely to stay. MSU is basically a region recruiting University. Even basketball that has been very good to elite at times in general only recruits regionally. This is changing a bit but that is because I think Izzo is desperate to win a second Natty and has realized he needs more fire power to make that happen.
So having a Midwest guy take over the program who loves the University who can put a decent product on the field would be good for me anyway. A Pat Fitzgerald type guy who can get a bit better results. I think MSU is basically Wisky or Iowa. I feel those are the best examples. Right now the only schools I think that could give OSU a serious run at being the dominate team in the B10 is SCum, PSU, or Neb. I realize that all 3 seem to be lacking but if we are talking about programs with the drive and focus to get at the level of OSU you would have to look at those 3 programs who in the past have shown this type of drive for success.
I would actually question SCum being in that group as the one program that has not in the last 70 years shown the interest in being a true National power. 1 partial NC hardly qualifies you as a program that is a National power. While NEb, PSU, and tOSU have all won multiple NC in the last 40 years. But SCum spends the money and has the name to attract the players needed. They just do not seem able to deliver.
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Everybody is somebody else's weirdo.
Ex-Michigan State president Lou Anna Simon ordered to stand trial
A judge on Monday ordered former Michigan State University president Lou Anna Simon to stand trial on charges that she lied to police about her knowledge of a sexual misconduct complaint against now-imprisoned sports doctor Larry Nassar.
The ruling came the same day the school revealed that a trustee resigned Saturday over the governing board's decision last month to drop an independent review of Nassar's assaults, despite having unanimously voted for the probe in June.
Nancy Schlichting, in a letter to Gov. Gretchen Whitmer, said it became clear to her that four trustees do not share the commitment by Schlichting and three other trustees to an independent review, including the release of documents protected by attorney-client privilege "so the truth can come out."
"I deeply regret that my board service has been so short, but hope that the next appointed trustee will be able to make a greater impact than I have," she wrote.
Eaton County District Judge Julie Reincke, meanwhile, found probable cause to send Simon to trial on two felony and two misdemeanor charges of giving false statements to law enforcement agents who accused her of impeding their investigation into one of Nassar's sexual assaults and whether she or other university officials committed misconduct in office.
"We are disappointed by the district court's ruling in light of the complete lack of evidence to support the charges against Lou Anna Simon. We plan to vigorously defend Dr. Simon and will be appealing the decision of the district court,'' said Lee Silver, one of Simon's lawyers. "We remain confident that we will ultimately prevail and that Lou Anna Simon will be fully acquitted of these charges.''
She is the third former school official to be ordered to trial.
Entire article: https://www.espn.com/college-sports...-president-lou-anna-simon-ordered-stand-trial
A judge on Monday ordered former Michigan State University president Lou Anna Simon to stand trial on charges that she lied to police about her knowledge of a sexual misconduct complaint against now-imprisoned sports doctor Larry Nassar.
The ruling came the same day the school revealed that a trustee resigned Saturday over the governing board's decision last month to drop an independent review of Nassar's assaults, despite having unanimously voted for the probe in June.
Nancy Schlichting, in a letter to Gov. Gretchen Whitmer, said it became clear to her that four trustees do not share the commitment by Schlichting and three other trustees to an independent review, including the release of documents protected by attorney-client privilege "so the truth can come out."
"I deeply regret that my board service has been so short, but hope that the next appointed trustee will be able to make a greater impact than I have," she wrote.
Eaton County District Judge Julie Reincke, meanwhile, found probable cause to send Simon to trial on two felony and two misdemeanor charges of giving false statements to law enforcement agents who accused her of impeding their investigation into one of Nassar's sexual assaults and whether she or other university officials committed misconduct in office.
"We are disappointed by the district court's ruling in light of the complete lack of evidence to support the charges against Lou Anna Simon. We plan to vigorously defend Dr. Simon and will be appealing the decision of the district court,'' said Lee Silver, one of Simon's lawyers. "We remain confident that we will ultimately prevail and that Lou Anna Simon will be fully acquitted of these charges.''
She is the third former school official to be ordered to trial.
Entire article: https://www.espn.com/college-sports...-president-lou-anna-simon-ordered-stand-trial
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