Miami (FL) Hurricanes (1926-2003)

[osugrad21]

Being grounded in reality does indeed make it easy for me to sleep well. I'll leave you to the tanks of water, freeze dried food and the survival bunker you probably dug in your back yard. Happy to agree to disagree.

Yessir. You nailed me.

 

[lvbuckeye]

Wasn't that the other idiot that had Lyme Disease and thought he was Jesus?

yeah, "Lyme Disease." right after he got back from Bonnaroo...

 

[ant80]

For NCAA to survive, it can't give Miami death penality

Obviously Miami deserves the death penalty for football. Just as obviously, Miami won't get what it deserves because the NCAA is too scared to do it.

That's my position, and it's based on two suppositions -- suppositions I'm more than comfortable making. Supposition One: The crux of Yahoo's Pulitzer-caliber reporting on Miami's decade of decadence is correct. Supposition Two: The primary source of that report, former Miami booster Nevin Shapiro, is telling mostly the truth. I don't need every accusation out of his mouth to be true to write the first sentence of this story. If every other accusation out of his mouth is true -- heck, if every fourth accusation out of his mouth is true -- I stand by my first sentence:

Obviously Miami deserves the death penalty for football.

Obviously.

Cont...

Found this on SI's truth & rumors...

 

[Oh8ch]

Here's a handy chart the 'AllabouttheU" writer put together to classify his analysis of the evidence that Yahoo stated it had for each player:

True as that chart may be here is why Miami is still screwed.

First, with a dozen guys nailed cold it establishes Shaprio as having some level of credibility. IMO that shifts the burden of proof to Miami to establish why he would be lying about the other 60 - particularly when there is at least some evidence against most of those players. Sure, the guy is a nut case and a sleaze bag, but when the police finally catch one of those perverts with a dozen prostitutes buried in his (or her - don't want to be sexist) back yard I think they are inclined to take his word that he is responsible for a few more in the same general area.

Second, the Yahoo report is pretty much the starting line for the NCAA. For all the mud that was thrown at OSU during our recent fun and games much of it slid right off. But almost everything Yahoo filed in their initial report still stands. The NCAA is building on that.

Third, the Admin at Miami is now - publicly at least - all about integrity and getting to the bottom of this. It would be pretty lame for them to suggest the only players that did anything wrong are the ones with a bloody knife still in their hands. This becomes a particular issue when it comes to who gets to play this season. That issue doesn't need to be addressed until kick off for game one. At that point the AD is facing the choice of playing a kid who may later be found guilty by the NCAA. What does that do for your integrity? Innocent until proven guilty does not always apply to NCAA sports.

Finally, I see on the Miami board and elsewhere that much is being made of players who went to another school being declared eligible - as though this somehow suggests they received no improper benefits on their Miami recruiting trips which might further - they argue - suggest the case is weak against any number of other players who did go to Miami.

As I understand the rules unless the benefit would rise to the level of that player sacrificing his amateur status (getting a BJ on a recruiting trip does not rise to that level) said benefit only makes the player ineligible to play for the school that provided the benefit. Further, I would submit that those players are in an excellent position to testify against Miami when the only way they are in any trouble is if they are not forthcoming with the NCAA. One might posit that their willingness to do exactly that is why the NCAA has declared them eligible so quickly.

In a way I feel sorry for any of the Miami players who didn't bet one of those BJs, because the rest are taking it in the ass.

 

[buxfan4life]

Shalala is not talking to the press at all. On the local news last night, they follwed her and asked a few questions and all she did was look straight ahead with a big smile on her face.

http://www.wsvn.com/news/articles/sports/um/21005135968951/

With all of the shady shit that has gone on under her watch (this is not the first ponzi schemer's dirty money that has benefited UM while she has been in charge) I look for her to resign/get fired soon.

 

[Coqui]

I have to appreciate ad placement with their articles sometimes:

 

[Taosman]

Delete! Delete! Delete! :hatepc:

 

[CleveBucks]

Imagine how much info will NOT come out because Miami isn't subject to FOIA requests. Same with USC.

 

[BB73]

I really wish the mainstream discussion would focus on the sham that the NCAA really is with their amateurism bull[Mark May], rather than debating whether similar activities take place place at other schools or what punishment should be doled out to Miami.

BP has a thread that's a better place for discussing the NCAA's "sham" of amateurism.

Should.college.players.be.paid

This thread, and its "mainstream discussion", is about things relating to the scandal at Miami, but there is some overlap on the two topics, And being a college football board, things do get sidetracked occasionally.

 

[jlb1705]

True as that chart may be here is why Miami is still screwed.

First, with a dozen guys nailed cold it establishes Shaprio as having some level of credibility. IMO that shifts the burden of proof to Miami to establish why he would be lying about the other 60 - particularly when there is at least some evidence against most of those players. Sure, the guy is a nut case and a sleaze bag, but when the police finally catch one of those perverts with a dozen prostitutes buried in his (or her - don't want to be sexist) back yard I think they are inclined to take his word that he is responsible for a few more in the same general area.

Second, the Yahoo report is pretty much the starting line for the NCAA. For all the mud that was thrown at OSU during our recent fun and games much of it slid right off. But almost everything Yahoo filed in their initial report still stands. The NCAA is building on that.

Third, the Admin at Miami is now - publicly at least - all about integrity and getting to the bottom of this. It would be pretty lame for them to suggest the only players that did anything wrong are the ones with a bloody knife still in their hands. This becomes a particular issue when it comes to who gets to play this season. That issue doesn't need to be addressed until kick off for game one. At that point the AD is facing the choice of playing a kid who may later be found guilty by the NCAA. What does that do for your integrity? Innocent until proven guilty does not always apply to NCAA sports.

Finally, I see on the Miami board and elsewhere that much is being made of players who went to another school being declared eligible - as though this somehow suggests they received no improper benefits on their Miami recruiting trips which might further - they argue - suggest the case is weak against any number of other players who did go to Miami.

As I understand the rules unless the benefit would rise to the level of that player sacrificing his amateur status (getting a BJ on a recruiting trip does not rise to that level) said benefit only makes the player ineligible to play for the school that provided the benefit. Further, I would submit that those players are in an excellent position to testify against Miami when the only way they are in any trouble is if they are not forthcoming with the NCAA. One might posit that their willingness to do exactly that is why the NCAA has declared them eligible so quickly.

In a way I feel sorry for any of the Miami players who didn't bet one of those BJs, because the rest are taking it in the ass.

Executive summary: That chart seems to be arguing that at best less than 20% of the accusations are true, while failing to realize that the scope is so large that even less than 20% means they are still fucked bigtime.

 

[Taosman]

Separated at birth?

 

[BB73]

Some interesting comments from Shapiro's attorney.

CBS

...
Shapiro's attorney, Maria Elena Perez - a University of Miami graduate - said she agrees that the Hurricanes will be "left standing" when this process ends.

"I think there will be a football program after this," Perez said. "If they shut down this football program, too many people will lose too much money."

But Perez said the allegations were not made up and speculated more could be triggered by Shapiro's story. The attorney said Shapiro is aware of the fallout from his story and suggested more allegations may still be coming.

"I believe inevitably there will be more," Perez said. "Whether that comes from Nevin or from outside sources who have additional information about this, I can't tell you. But I believe that there will be more."
...

Cont'd ...

 

[southcampus]

You have your experiences, and I have mine. I lived in Steeb 77/78....played hockey for Jerry for one glorious month until my 3rd knee operation in 2 years...and I KNOW my contemporaries in football. I will repeat....KNOW them. knew Woody...knew coach Chaump...knew the guys. Never heard [Mark May] about bounties...ever. Not even from guys like Cousineau.

TELL me anything you want. You have your experiences and I have mine.

It's a different era.

 

[iBucki]

BP has a thread that's a better place for discussing the NCAA's "sham" of amateurism.

Should.college.players.be.paid

This thread, and its "mainstream discussion", is about things relating to the scandal at Miami, but there is some overlap on the two topics, And being a college football board, things do get sidetracked occasionally.

My bad. Thanks for the link :)

 

[colobuck79]

Some interesting comments from Shapiro's attorney.

CBS

"I believe inevitably there will be more," Perez said. "Whether that comes from Nevin or from outside sources who have additional information about this, I can't tell you. But I believe that there will be more."

If he is saying this, it means he knows there is more, and I am guessing much, much more.