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Miami (FL) Hurricanes (1926-2003)

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And it begins.

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Re: Shalala had a worse hand than Rodney, and played it better** Reply
Swofford had a worse hand than Delaney, and played it better!

Miami: about $2 million to over 70 different athletes over nine years ... lose 9 scholarships
UNC: rampant academic fraud benefitting athletes ... no sanctions
Okie St: laundry list of infractions ... no sanctions yet, but see UNC
PSU: former employee convicted of crimes ... worst sanctions in NCAA history (not counting SMU death penalty)

Sounds pretty fair to me!
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That has become my new philosophy over the past 2 years. Learn to cheat effectively and you will prosper under current NCAA rules. Cheating is how the game is played today. You cheat in college football and basketball, or you never compete for a National Championship. There may be an exception or two, but they are rare. Our reputation is shot for all time, so why not cheat and become an annual top 10 team? I am serious about this. Joe did it the right way and where did it get him, and us?
**Myers and Alexander must go. Myers and Alexander will go.**
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People in charge can't fight because they were a part of it. They knew about Jerry, at least the power players did. And fighting the sanctions would have brought this (and them) into question. It's actually that simple. So they threw joe and football under the bus. End of story.
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The NCAA has so many screw ups of its own during this investigation they were at risk of being counter sued by Miami if they came down too hard on them. Perhaps the clowns at the NCAA should worry about their own "institutional control" before passing judgment on others.

"Former NCAA enforcement staff members worked with the criminal defense attorney for Nevin Shapiro to improperly obtain information for the purposes of the NCAA investigation through a bankruptcy proceeding that did not involve the NCAA.

As it does not have subpoena power, the NCAA does not have the authority to compel testimony through procedures outside of its enforcement program. Through bankruptcy proceedings, enforcement staff gained information for the investigation that would not have been accessible otherwise."

That is why Miami got off easy. Their self-imposed sanctions were peanuts in comparison to the NCAA being taken down in a court of law.

http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/23/miami-noa-delayed-as-ncaa-investigates-itself/
 
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Just imagine if they pawned their own property to get those tats... the horror. THE HORROR.
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As has probably been stated in this thread somewhere, Jim Tressel gave the NCAA everything it needed when it was found that he lied about his knowledge of the players eligibility. Hindsight is 20/20, but the NCAA has shown that they couldn't find their asses with both hands and a map if left to their own devices, but if you give them something then they can bomb you. Once it was established that he lied all bets were off. It didn't matter what Gene Smith (although he mishandled a number of things) did at that point. The NCAA had the Jim Tressel lied card and could pretty much do whatever they wanted to.

I keep reading about Miami's cooperation but the fact is that the NCAA screwed up this investigation so badly that they really couldn't hammer Miami the way that they deserve to be hammered.
 
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I'm confused. Why does the NCAA have to act like it's the US Government? How is obtaining information "illegal" in regards to cheating in college football? Yes.....their antics would have ruined a legit trial against somebody in a court of law. They aren't a court of law. They don't even have to presume innocence, right?
 
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BuckeyeNation27 said:
I'm confused. Why does the NCAA have to act like it's the US Government? How is obtaining information "illegal" in regards to cheating in college football? Yes.....their antics would have ruined a legit trial against somebody in a court of law. They aren't a court of law. They don't even have to presume innocence, right?
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Just guessing, but probably because those concepts are so ingrained in our culture that the NCAA fears even more public backlash if it "goes against the grain" (as I could see fans of punished fanbases claiming). Think about how many times idiot PSU fans were whining about lack of due process in a context in which it clearly isn't mandated.
 
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BuckeyeNation27 said:
I'm confused. Why does the NCAA have to act like it's the US Government? How is obtaining information "illegal" in regards to cheating in college football? Yes.....their antics would have ruined a legit trial against somebody in a court of law. They aren't a court of law. They don't even have to presume innocence, right?
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That's a great question. I've been wondering about that myself and haven't seen it discussed. It almost seems like after they hammered USC (basically for being defiant about their cheating) even though they couldn't really PROVE much and got criticized, they've been more legalistic about things. Manziel seems like the best example because it's inconceivable to anyone with one or more firing neurons that he didn't get paid for the act of signing thousands of identical items for memorabilia brokers, which act was undisputed, but they just threw up their hands and said "can't prove it" when they couldn't find cancelled checks, email acknowledgments or photos of money changing hands. In the past, I'd think they'd have reached the obvious conclusion based on the circumstantial evidence, but now they hide behind something like a criminal "beyond a reasonable doubt" standard.
 
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Jagdaddy said:
That's a great question. I've been wondering about that myself and haven't seen it discussed. It almost seems like after they hammered USC (basically for being defiant about their cheating) even though they couldn't really PROVE much and got criticized, they've been more legalistic about things. Manziel seems like the best example because it's inconceivable to anyone with one or more firing neurons that he didn't get paid for the act of signing thousands of identical items for memorabilia brokers, which act was undisputed, but they just threw up their hands and said "can't prove it" when they couldn't find cancelled checks, email acknowledgments or photos of money changing hands. In the past, I'd think they'd have reached the obvious conclusion based on the circumstantial evidence, but now they hide behind something like a criminal "beyond a reasonable doubt" standard.
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1. Watching the journalists, especially J.A. Adande, Kevin Blackistone, and Tony Kornheiser, go along with, even approve, Manziel's antics and proclaim that college athletes should be paid told me all I needed to know about the lack of support for the NCAA.

2. The NCAA was created because universities knew they couldn't govern their own sports programs and because Teddy Roosevelt was threatening to eliminate football if the schools didn't clean up the game. The role of the NCAA as enforcer was created and expanded because of scandals in every decade since then.

3. If this current organization is defeated by programs such as Miami's, or personalities such as Manziel's, what will ensue? I'm reminded of the scene in A Man for All Seasons, in which Will Roper states he will break every law in order to chase down the devil and Thomas Moore asks him, "...and if you throw out or destroy every law, what will stand between you and the devil when he turns to come at you?"

4. Colleges, with few noted exceptions such as the University of Chicago under Robert Hutchison, have shown themselves to be spineless in dealing with athletics. Afraid to confront powerful coaches, alums, and fans, university presidents have ignored their responsibilities as the ethical leaders of academia.

5. Ergo, if the NCAA is destroyed, colleges and their presidents will either have to wear the mantle of ethical leadership they keep avoiding, or they will have to create a new agency with authority and powers equal to the task in today's money gloated market.
 
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