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Miami (FL) Hurricanes (1926-2003)

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knapplc;2183979; said:
Don't pick that sentence out from that paragraph. I'm not commenting specifically about the perceived lack of due process, but how it sets a precedent for future (or in the Miami case, current) investigations.
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With everyone outside of State College calling for the death penalty to be imposed, the NCAA had to act quickly with Penn State, and resolve it before the season started. Personally, I would have preferred they had gone through the PSU athletic department with a fine toothed comb and looked to see if there was any other crap that had been covered up, like inappropriate benefits and recruiting violations.
 
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Certainly the Freeh Report is a far greater tool than some article by Dan Wetzel, but we're coming up on a year after that article was published.... and still nothing.

There's due process and there's foot-dragging. We're approaching USC-esque levels of foot-dragging.
 
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HorseshoeFetish;2183981; said:
I'm pretty sure the only reason Emmert and the NCAA were able to move as quickly as they did was because the Freeh report was an internal investigation paid for by the university. If the NCAA were to use a Yahoo sports article as it's only source of info to punish cryami then I'd imagine Mark May would be creating Mark May trying to get tOSU busted for something on a daily basis.
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This, the freeh report was a school sanctioned investigation, with the school agreeing to have the report released to the public. The University was accepting was Freeh was saying as the FACTS of this case, a move which would in normal circumstances might have lightened the sanctions..but the ncaa was just under too much pressure to act here.
 
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It's not necessarily foot dragging. Miami is a private institution. That makes it much more difficult to get access to information during the course of an investigation, even if they are just trying to verify the work the Charles Robinson has already done.

Also, I don't see the precedents set in the PSU cas as being applicable here. First of all, as somebody already mentioned, PSU essentially self-reported everything. It was a higher profile self-report than most others, but that's what the Freeh Report was. Secondly, the NCAA interpreted the situation at Penn State as being mainly violations of the NCAA's constitution, rather than specific bylaws. I'm not sure that they even had a process established for dealing with such a thing up to this point, where on the other hand they already have a well-established (if not slow and cumbersome) process for dealing with alleged bylaw violations.

There is also the possibility the Penn State had their due process cut off by the NCAA. I think the NCAA took a calculated risk that Penn State wasn't going to dare challenge anything on those grounds because keeping this scandal in the news is disastrous PR for the entire university. If the NCAA cut corners with due process in the Miami investigation though, I think they'd have a fight on their hands that could torpedo the whole thing.

They should take their time, be thorough, and get it right.
 
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Certainly the NCAA should do their due diligence here. I'm just not comfortable with another four-year investigation into allegations that have already come to light. The article was published 11 months ago. The investigative stage should be wrapping up, sooner rather than later.
 
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HorseshoeFetish;2183981; said:
I'm pretty sure the only reason Emmert and the NCAA were able to move as quickly as they did was because the Freeh report was an internal investigation paid for by the university. If the NCAA were to use a Yahoo sports article as it's only source of info to punish cryami then I'd imagine Mark May would be creating Mark May trying to get tOSU busted for something on a daily basis.
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Exactly. Here's a question for you though:

What if PSU's BoT would not have elected to conduct the Freeh report? Would the NCAA have gotten involved at all?

What if the BoT would have elected to keep the findings internal? Based on prior history, one could assume that they would have attempted to cover it up - to continue the lies.
 
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knapplc;2184012; said:
Certainly the NCAA should do their due diligence here. I'm just not comfortable with another four-year investigation into allegations that have already come to light. The article was published 11 months ago. The investigative stage should be wrapping up, sooner rather than later.
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Agreed. Maybe the NCAA should hire Louis Freeh? (that thought was initially started in sarcasm, but after thinking about it, I'm not so sure it's a bad idea.)

He started the investigation in, what, December?
 
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AJHawkfan;2184014; said:
Exactly. Here's a question for you though:

What if PSU's BoT would not have elected to conduct the Freeh report? Would the NCAA have gotten involved at all?
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I'm sure they would have as there are plenty of investigations going on as I type this. I think even the U.S. Postal service is investigating the second mile. I'm sure the NCAA would have had to wait longer to make a move so as not to interfere with the criminal investigations, but they would have gotten involved eventually.

What if the BoT would have elected to keep the findings internal? Based on prior history, one could assume that they would have attempted to cover it up - to continue the lies.
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If I recall LF didn't give them a chance to see the report before anyone else could. I'm assuming that must have been a stipulation before he agreed to do it. I also have to believe that as high profile as this case is..they would never have gotten away with..."Sorry this report is private". They couldn't seal this back up, It was national news already.
 
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AJHawkfan;2184025; said:
Agreed. Maybe the NCAA should hire Louis Freeh? (that thought was initially started in sarcasm, but after thinking about it, I'm not so sure it's a bad idea.)

He started the investigation in, what, December?
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I think you've hit on something there. That sounds like a fantastic idea.

Further, institutions under the NCAA should have, as a stipulation of participation that they allow full access to Freeh-like investigations.
 
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AJHawkfan;2184025; said:
Agreed. Maybe the NCAA should hire Louis Freeh? (that thought was initially started in sarcasm, but after thinking about it, I'm not so sure it's a bad idea.)

He started the investigation in, what, December?
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He was hired to conduct the investigation on Monday, November 21, 2011. They waited for a Monday because they didn't want to ruin anybody's weekend.
 
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The NCAA just left town the other day, so I would think that a NOA will be sent in the next couple of weeks. From what I have heard down here, Miami is actually being completely open to the NCAA about this, and will probably favor them in the end.

I still have no clue as to why Golden kept that guy linked to Shapiro on staff. That was a really dumb move on his part.
 
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HorseshoeFetish;2184036; said:
I'm sure they would have as there are plenty of investigations going on as I type this. I think even the U.S. Postal service is investigating the second mile.
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That's the first I've heard of that (USPS). Was Jerry mailing kids across state lines?

wanders off to google to find the story
 
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Muck;2184115; said:
That's the first I've heard of that (USPS). Was Jerry mailing kids across state lines?
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He may not have done postal, but he definitely left his stamp on the program, which has been enveloped in controversy since his predeliction for young mails was delivered to the public.
 
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