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man fired for smoking on his time

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buckeyefool;759957; said:
The policy was in place when he got hired. He knew that it was against the policy and he decided to go against it. He should have never taken the job.

The policy that was in place when he was hired is, or should be, declared illegal.

George Burns did a cigar a day and lived to 99. They cannot simply generalize and discriminate against all smokers. They must show that this person's habit has $x implications for this person's tenure of employ.

"Maybe someday" doesn't cut it.

And their stated goal is untenable. Do they also monitor glucose levels? Weight? Blood pressure? Unsafe sex?

I dare any legislator who supports this company to apply the same standard to gays who practice unsafe sex and knowingly infect their partners.
 
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buckeyefool;759957; said:
The policy was in place when he got hired. He knew that it was against the policy and he decided to go against it. He should have never taken the job.

alot of companies have begun doing this including in ohio. im in cincy and my company has instituted a no smoking policy. while i don't smoke, i do find it very disturbing that a company has the right to tell you what you can and can't do in your own home including acts that are legal. what would you do if your company inacted a no drinking policy? how about a no fast food policy? how about a no red meat policy? a no chocolate policy. a no caffiene policy?

thinking about it might seem obsurd. but we aren't too far from that very possible reality at this point. anything the medical community currently dubs "unhealthy" could find its way onto your companies handbook very quickly if an insurance company is willing to provide a discount for it.
 
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Folanator;759959; said:
I think being fat should be illegal. Make em ride a bike as punishment to loose weight. :wink:
At the very least fat people should be required to buy two tickets for sporting events and airplanes.

Ass wider than 18 inches? I don't give a fuck, get your saddlebags and elbows out of my damn seat!!!!
 
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My reply to the last time this topic came up...

The previous discussion http://www.buckeyeplanet.com/forum/showthread.php?t=20123

At the risk of stirring an already boiling pot, I've been following this thread since its inception and feel the need to comment. If it weren't for the environment and education, I'd be a card-carrying Republican because I'm stick and tired of paying for everyone else's issues. That being said, I present two points for consideration:

1) Scotts is a private (although I acknowledge that there could be some govt subsidy or assistance there, but without full access, I'm assuming there isn't) company who has an obligation to the bottom line, the stakeholders and the employees of the company (both past and present). The obvious steps toward meeting your obligations in the business world is to reduce your overhead, thereby increasing profit and maximizing bottom-line gains, stock values and employee perks/benefits (including the maintenance of an active and successful pension and retirement plan). As is clear, by reviewing this thread, most of us agree that smoking is bad for you and it also appears we commonly define "bad for you" as serious illness and possibly death. These agreements coupled with the outlandish and unregulated health care industry could easily lead to the a inflated insurance overhead, leading to reductions in your ability as a company to meet it's obligations optimally (See above). If smoking elevates overhead, then it's an issue. Yeah, people are pissed (see previous 7 pages of the thread), but the the job of a CEO is protect the bottom line of his company, while properly and ethically running a business - period! If that means restricting high-risk "outside" activities, then so be it! His job is not to make friends and not to be a nice guy (although it's always a bonus). If the non-smokers cannot beat their addiction and continually place more value in smoking than in their job, oh well... I know of plenty of non-smokers who are looking for a job.

As for where this leads (i.e.- sexual habits, eating habits, etc), the future will tell as more medical and scientific information become available. This is exactly what happened with smoking, 20-30 years ago, smoking was common place and largely socially acceptable. Now, as we find more and more about the medical implications, the view of society has shifted. We are seeing similar trends with obesity; alcohol is problematic because there exists a rising amount of literature which indicates drinking, in moderation, may have positive health correlates. There is no such literature on smoking.

As many have mentioned, the definition of smoker is somewhat enigmatic. Casual, social, or chain? Good and reasonable question which warrants clarification. However, it opens up the possibility that a company may be left to define the number of smoking events which would result in the above classifications. That being said, I believe it's a company's prerogative to make such distinctions (see above).

2) Having lived in Florida for 7 hurricane filled years, as a low risk liver (i.e. -non-smoker, drinks occasionally, non-obese) and white, male from a family full of system-milking WTs, I'm sick of covering the cost of everyone elses' decisions. Build a beach front house in Florida and it gets leveled by a hurricane - surprised? I'm not! Lead a high risk life and cost the system (insurance, Medicare, Medicaid, etc) and other users more money, you should be dropped or charged higher premiums. And as for my WT family - get off your ass and get a job - stop having kids to get a paycheck!

This issue (aside from the whole business can or cannot tell you what to do "outside" work) represents a larger problem with society. As a whole, Americans lack the ability to take responsibility for one's actions.


P.S. - Having lived in a state (Florida) where smoking was outlawed in public places and restaurants, I wish Ohio would get on board as mentioned earlier. As a non-smoker, it's nice not to smell like smoke after a night out
 
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martinss01;760011; said:
that the way you feel is it? whats your height, weight, and gender?

Two of those three you cant do anything about. Smoking you can.

Lets look at this from the other side of the coin. If you were the owner of the company (or a cowoker), are you ok with paying more for coverage because this guy wants to smoke? Why should people who chose to take care of themselves be forced to subsidize those who do not? Now that to me is immoral.

I have no problem with anyone who smokes. I do have a problem with anyone who wants me to subsidize their medical costs because of it.
 
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I am 100% against smoking, but no company should be allowed to control what their employees do on their free time, if it is legal. If it does not hinder the performance of the employee for the company on a daily basis, it should not matter.

However, the guy knew he wasn't allowed to smoke and broke the rule, so he should have known better. I'm just saying the company shouldn't be allowed to make that rule in the first place.

The only thing you could make a case for are professional sports, for risk of injury, but even then, if an NFL player goes out and starts smoking and not playing well, he is going to get cut.
 
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