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tibor75;760054; said:
Nothing funnier than smokers whining and crying about "rights"

Deal with it.
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Yeah, right.

Overheard in Vienna, c. 1935: "Those silly little Nazi pranksters! They'll grow up!"

I am not a smoker. But I will put up with a xit-load of smoke before I ever want to see someone have this much control over my life or your life or anyone's life.

"When they came for the unionists, I was not a unionist, so I said nothing..."

Today they come for the smoker. I am not a smoker. I am not remaining silent. F#ck the powermongers.
 
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JoJaBuckeye;760909; said:
Yeah, right.

Overheard in Vienna, c. 1935: "Those silly little Nazi pranksters! They'll grow up!"

I am not a smoker. But I will put up with a xit-load of smoke before I ever want to see someone have this much control over my life or your life or anyone's life.

"When they came for the unionists, I was not a unionist, so I said nothing..."

Today they come for the smoker. I am not a smoker. I am not remaining silent. F#ck the powermongers.
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Great post.
 
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Why should they offer help to someone that knew to policy when he was hired?

MililaniBuckeye;760832; said:
Maybe I needed to also highlight the latter part of the very same sentence I quoted...here let me show you what it said:

"he was never offered help to quit smoking".

This, despite this statement by Mr King, quote: "Our goal is not to terminate anybody; our goal is to provide tools to people to stop smoking". Hmmm, I guess their tool to stop people from smoking isn't offering them a tobacco cessation class but rather firing their asses so they can't buy cigarettes. Maybe they can use the same logic on those employees who they deem overweight, so the employees can't eat as much with no income. :roll1:
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Dryden;760198; said:
For what I paid in taxes to build the Arena District in C-Bus, I should be allowed to stand at center ice before a Blue Jackets game, chain smoke Camels, piss Bud Light, and sing God Bless America.
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And that would be more entertaining than a CBJ game and probably have a higher attendance as well....:biggrin:
 
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Here's the thing.

When you are an at will employee the company sets the rules.

Scott's Miracle Gro has this policy in effect, and IMO its a mistake on their part.

First off- it's bad publicity for the company.

Second- Let's assume that 25% of the adult workforce smokes. You have eliminated that part of the job pool from contributing to your bottom line. This, in the long run is bad for business.

The company has options. I am not sure what they are allowed to do, but I bet they can offer the employees an option to pay for a greater part of the health care benefit offered, amongst other options.
 
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scarletandgrey;759965; said:
Sounds like the guy has a very valid case against Scotts.

They should just charge the smokers higher premiums like the rest of the insurance companies do!
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I got a better idea... drop the smokers off the company plan and make them buy their own insurance. People would quit smoking so fast it would make your head spin.

JoJaBuckeye;759984; said:
The policy that was in place when he was hired is, or should be, declared illegal.

George Burns did a cigar a day and lived to 99. They cannot simply generalize and discriminate against all smokers. They must show that this person's habit has $x implications for this person's tenure of employ.

"Maybe someday" doesn't cut it.

And their stated goal is untenable. Do they also monitor glucose levels? Weight? Blood pressure? Unsafe sex?

I dare any legislator who supports this company to apply the same standard to gays who practice unsafe sex and knowingly infect their partners.
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George Burns didn't work at Scott's.
Many studies already have shown that smoking increases the risk of about 15 scabillion diseases... thereby increasing their health care costs, thereby raising the premiums I have to pay to keep them insured. (Effects my bottom line)
There are more cigarette smokers than pole smokers. They are going after the habits that cost them the most.

ScarletBlood31;760049; said:
I am 100% against smoking, but no company should be allowed to control what their employees do on their free time, if it is legal. If it does not hinder the performance of the employee for the company on a daily basis, it should not matter.

However, the guy knew he wasn't allowed to smoke and broke the rule, so he should have known better. I'm just saying the company shouldn't be allowed to make that rule in the first place.

The only thing you could make a case for are professional sports, for risk of injury, but even then, if an NFL player goes out and starts smoking and not playing well, he is going to get cut.
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So I guess that means that Kellen Winslow Jr. should have never gotten in trouble for riding a motorcycle. I mean who are the Browns or any other NFL team to tell me I can't ride a motorcycle, sky-dive, bungee jump etc... I mean signing a contract in sports doesn't mean anything anyways right...

I must be too much of a capitalist.

1. I open a business
2. You apply to work at my business
3. I explain the rules and what is expected from you
4. You accept these rule and expectations
5. You break the rules
6. I fire your ass
 
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JoJaBuckeye;759984; said:
George Burns did a cigar a day and lived to 99.
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Wonderful, Yul Brynner smoked like a feen, died of lung cancer at 65, and regretted ever staring to smoke.

Yul Brynner: Don't Smoke

Actor Yul Brynner died on October 10, 1985 in New York City at the age of 65. The cause of death was lung cancer brought on by smoking. Throughout his life, Brynner was always seen with a cigarette in his hand. In January 1985, nine months before his death, he gave an interview on Good Morning America, expressing his desire to make an anti-smoking commercial. A clip from that interview was made into just such a commercial by the American Cancer Society, and released after his death. He says:
"Now that I'm gone, I tell you: Don't smoke, whatever you do, just don't smoke." The spot can be seen on the site of the Yul Brynner Head and neck Cancer Foundation but it was also posted recently (October 2006) on YouTube.

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gost8;761513; said:
I got a better idea... drop the smokers off the company plan and make them buy their own insurance. People would quit smoking so fast it would make your head spin.



George Burns didn't work at Scott's.
Many studies already have shown that smoking increases the risk of about 15 scabillion diseases... thereby increasing their health care costs, thereby raising the premiums I have to pay to keep them insured. (Effects my bottom line)
There are more cigarette smokers than pole smokers. They are going after the habits that cost them the most.



So I guess that means that Kellen Winslow Jr. should have never gotten in trouble for riding a motorcycle. I mean who are the Browns or any other NFL team to tell me I can't ride a motorcycle, sky-dive, bungee jump etc... I mean signing a contract in sports doesn't mean anything anyways right...

I must be too much of a capitalist.

1. I open a business
2. You apply to work at my business
3. I explain the rules and what is expected from you
4. You accept these rule and expectations
5. You break the rules
6. I fire your ass
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What happened to the GPA sushi gave this post?
 
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