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ScarletBlood31;760049; said:
I am 100% against smoking, but no company should be allowed to control what their employees do on their free time, if it is legal. If it does not hinder the performance of the employee for the company on a daily basis, it should not matter.

However, the guy knew he wasn't allowed to smoke and broke the rule, so he should have known better. I'm just saying the company shouldn't be allowed to make that rule in the first place.

The only thing you could make a case for are professional sports, for risk of injury, but even then, if an NFL player goes out and starts smoking and not playing well, he is going to get cut.
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What about the military. A smoker starts failing PFT's and such. Can they mandate he not smoke?
 
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NewYorkBuck;760039; said:
Two of those three you cant do anything about. Smoking you can.
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and the 3rd that you can do something about? are you pro or against a companies right to discriminate based upon the body mass index?

Lets look at this from the other side of the coin. If you were the owner of the company (or a cowoker), are you ok with paying more for coverage because this guy wants to smoke? Why should people who chose to take care of themselves be forced to subsidize those who do not? Now that to me is immoral.
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im not ok with paying the same as the guy beside me who picks up meds every month for high blood pressure. im not ok with paying the same as the people who get flu shots every year. explain to me why i should have to pay the same for insurance than someone who is being treated for something? im not sick. why should i have to help foot the bill for THEIR illness?

I have no problem with anyone who smokes. I do have a problem with anyone who wants me to subsidize their medical costs because of it.
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keep in mind i agree with you on this point. your issue is legit. however, the way in which you intend to solve it is a whole lot of shortsighted. higher healthcare costs is a legit arguement. however, that arguement DOES NOT give you the authority to tell me how to lead my life. keep in mind your relying on the same medical community for your information with which to discrimante against people that changes its mind every 5 min on what is bad for you and what isn't.

ScarletBlood31;760049; said:
The only thing you could make a case for are professional sports, for risk of injury, but even then, if an NFL player goes out and starts smoking and not playing well, he is going to get cut.
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completely disagree. did the player get cut because he smokes or did he get cut based upon performance? keep in mind we're talking about the same nfl that busts players five six seven times for coke and let them play.

scooter1369;760055; said:
What about the military. A smoker starts failing PFT's and such. Can they mandate he not smoke?
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A. as a member of the military you loose many of the rights a civilian enjoys. you are essentially property of the US gov. 100% different.
B. see above.
 
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"We're not interested in dictating our employees' behavior in their free time because it doesn't affect us," King said, "but the issue of smoking we deem different because there is no dispute whatsoever that there's a direct correlation between increased health risk and healthcare costs. So what we're really saying is we're not willing to underwrite the risks associated with smoking."
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So, Mr. King, what you're really saying is that you're talking out both sides of your mouth...
 
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OSUsushichic;760173; said:
He has a point, but at least I'm in my office 8+ hours a day, able to access my phone and email and available to my coworkers. The smokers leave the building for half the day.
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All this time I could have been leaving the building for half the day?!?!? :eek:

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tibor75;760054; said:
Nothing funnier than smokers whining and crying about "rights"

Deal with it.
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This country was founded on tobacco. Admit it, you'd hate to see what you'd pay in taxes if smokers didn't foot the bill for you.

What's the government do when it needs money? It taxes the 'sinners.'
 
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OSUsushichic;760190; said:
There is a group here that takes 2-hour lunch breaks and spends the rest of the day smoking every 15 mins.
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I still think you're stretching the truth but I have to take you at your word.

BTW, what kind of job is it where they get a 2 hour lunch?
 
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