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PrincetonBuckeye
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yes you were :)I should hope so cuz I was laying it on pretty thick
I am dropping the CJ and TO thing now....
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tibor75;690100; said:
Last I checked CJ hadn't been suspended or punched somebody.
Typical for a Cleveburg fan to not know the difference.
Unfortunately, you missed the entire context of the post. But I shouldn't be surprised.
CB40 and I were discussing the marketability of DWade vs. Carmelo, and he mentioned that Wade has a boring personality because he's one of the good guys like Marvin Harrison. Now, if I'm building on that comparison, I'm think that CJ and TO are to Harrison what someone like Carmelo is to Wade... flambouyant athletes that think it's all about them.
And just because Chad Johnson hasn't been suspended doesn't make him not an asshole. He's not nearly as bad as TO, but he's fooling no one that IT IS ALL ABOUT HIM. That's why he started the silly dancing, the Pepto Bismal, and the not-so-genuine checklist against DBs in the NFL. But because he's so "flambouyant", ESPN loves him and pimps him like a whore.
Guys like Wade and Harrison will never get that.... because they do things the right way.
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fourteenandoh;690118; said:
Let's see:
Ray Lewis - accused of murder.
Mark Chumra - accused of rape.
Rae Carruth - conspiracy to commit murder.
Cincinattica Bengals - 7 arrests.... err, 11 arrests, 7 players (gotta give Chris Henry his due)
TO spits in the face of DHall.
KWII cheap shots EVERYONE.
Albert Haynesworth stomps on someone's head.
Reuban Droughns - accused of DV and OVI in the same year. (Amazing)
Santonio Holmes - DV
Really, I'm just getting started. Does it walk like a duck and talk like one in the NFL too?
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billmac91
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I think the NBA gets torched by the media b/c of it's downward slide since MJ, Bird, and Magic....if the NBA were as entertaining and fun to follow as the NFL/College Football it would get more of a pass from the media and message board participants......It's just so easy to critisize everything about a league that has no passion, no heart, all-stars getting beat by foreigners b/c our American team cannot play like a team...
The thug image compared to other sports is absolute garbage, but I think a lot of it comes down to people trying to explain what has happened to the NBA......I mean, why has it absolutely sucked since MJ retired? The easy answer is players aren't the same as they used to be....a me-first/rebellious attitude that causes a crappy product
The fact that the NFL is popular as ever covers up for a lot of the same issues being seen in the NFL......had a basketball player spit on another player last week it would have gotten WAY more coverage and it was TO who did it!!! The only negative in NFL right now that I can think of our the awful personal fouls called by referees when a player breathes on the QB.....other than that its golden
The NBA has too many negatives, namely crappy/non-passionate play by players corporate America doesn't understand
The thug image compared to other sports is absolute garbage, but I think a lot of it comes down to people trying to explain what has happened to the NBA......I mean, why has it absolutely sucked since MJ retired? The easy answer is players aren't the same as they used to be....a me-first/rebellious attitude that causes a crappy product
The fact that the NFL is popular as ever covers up for a lot of the same issues being seen in the NFL......had a basketball player spit on another player last week it would have gotten WAY more coverage and it was TO who did it!!! The only negative in NFL right now that I can think of our the awful personal fouls called by referees when a player breathes on the QB.....other than that its golden
The NBA has too many negatives, namely crappy/non-passionate play by players corporate America doesn't understand
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billmac91;690211; said:
Corporate America can get behind anything that makes money. It's the suburban consumer that can't get behind the NBA.
Crapp, non-passionate play? Have you seen Randy Moss play or the Detroit Lions, or the ... Browns?
The big difference between the NBA and the NFL right now is that basketball has become too urbanized for suburban America. The consumer believes that there is too much of a hiphop flavor associated with the professional players.
The Olympic flameout is a copout excuse made by those who don't understand the differences between international basketball and the NBA or the solid ball being played overseas. Tim Duncan could have been dominant in any era of the NBA - and he is, by the way, one of the good guys. But in those Olympics, he couldn't do shit because of the pussy foul calls.
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PrincetonBuckeye
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I think you "hit the nail on the head" with your phase, "...basketball has become too urbanized for suburban America."
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billmac91
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StadiumDorm;690214; said:
I take an opposite approach and think the "pussy calls, international rules" is a copout execuse for fans who refuse to believe the rest of the world has either caught up or the NBA is just that bad. I for one would love it if the NBA decided to call traveling like the rest of the world and even college basketball.....maybe if they did, our players wouldn't average about 19 traveling calls a game at the international level
The NBA is all about 1 on 1 scoring.....you're lucky to see an offensive possesion with more than 2 passes unless you're watching a Jerry Sloan coached team or Steve Nash....The NBA has about 5 entertaining teams and the rest bore you to death....My thought on American teams sucking in the World Championships is a lack of team unity and ability to share the ball in effective ways...a couple years ago Paul Pierce single-handedly drove us into the ground so maybe I'll give us a slight pass for that dueshe-bag but this last year was a prime example....when we needed to play as a team we couldn't b/c the NBA is all about individual talent and individual moves. In the NBA, a star takes it to the rim and gets bailed out by NBA officials..in international play our stars don't get the benefit of the doubt
plus international teams can shoot
By the way, the less than passionate play in the NFL goes back to the NFL being the "it" sport right now....Randy Moss gets some backlash, but not nearly as much as say Allen Iverson for refusing to practice
and when mentioning the Browns and Lions, I think its more of those teams sucking than no passion...I could be wrong about that, but both teams both have horrible rosters with back-up QB's pretending to be starters....in the NBA a team plays hard for 5 minutes, gets a 30 point lead, and gives it back b/c they won't play hard for 48 minutes
and in total, I think its obvious the play in the NFL has gotten significantly better over the years rather than continually getting worse
...and by Corprorate America I meant suburban America.....I always associated corporate America, with white suburban American b/c Corporate America is mainly white-suburban people........and the NBA is losing corporate dollars to other sports
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crazybuckfan40
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I think we are finally getting somewhere with this discussion...
I also think that skipping of college and going to the NBA really hurt the game as some of these kids were plain and simply not ready and sometimes it is hard to read when they are flat out dominating talent that is far less superior.
But still these are all great reasons for the demise of the game, and I don't think there is anyone that will disagree that talent in the NBA has been down some, but I also think the talent is more spread out now moreso than what it used to be. You used to be able to put 3 superstars on a team now you are lucky if you have 2.
As for the Thug image I think alot of it has to do with a large majority of fans not being able to identify with these guys that wear the baggy clothes, listen to hip hop music and talk a little slang. There in lies the stereotypes.
I mean the whole ballin' thing that the NYGiants were doing for awhile was straight out of a rap video and sportscenter picked up on it like they were shooting a jump shot.
I also think that skipping of college and going to the NBA really hurt the game as some of these kids were plain and simply not ready and sometimes it is hard to read when they are flat out dominating talent that is far less superior.
But still these are all great reasons for the demise of the game, and I don't think there is anyone that will disagree that talent in the NBA has been down some, but I also think the talent is more spread out now moreso than what it used to be. You used to be able to put 3 superstars on a team now you are lucky if you have 2.
As for the Thug image I think alot of it has to do with a large majority of fans not being able to identify with these guys that wear the baggy clothes, listen to hip hop music and talk a little slang. There in lies the stereotypes.
I mean the whole ballin' thing that the NYGiants were doing for awhile was straight out of a rap video and sportscenter picked up on it like they were shooting a jump shot.
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billmac91;690226; said:
Actually, if you read my post, I said that they are playing pretty good ball overseas.
As far as the style or quality of play is concerned, CB40 touched on the obvious problems: 1. Dilution of talent due to expansion. 2. Influx of high school kids. But I think more deep than that is that the players just seem to be bigger, faster and more athletic. 40-50 years ago, a 6'10" Bill Russell dominated the paint. Now, you're going to see a 7'0" Greg Oden dominate the paint. Two inches may not seem like that much, but when the average player is that much bigger, it makes a big difference. That's one of the reasons why you see so much one-on-one, because 94-feet ain't what it used to be.
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DDOTT
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billmac91;690211; said:
The NBA is down because of the product. Shaq in his declining years may be the last we see of a college player staying around for three years then go to the next level and becoming a perenial All Star. You might get one player in each draft that leaves college very early or enters the draft directly after high school that is going to lead a team to the playoffs.
The League is all about the money for the players and league itself.
The NBA should get off of the fence and institute a three year in college type of rule that the NFL has.
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Suspensions are in from the NBA Office, per ESPN News:
Carmelo Anthony: 15 games
J.R. Smith: 10 games
Nate Robinson: 10 games
Mardy Collins: 6 games
Jared Jeffries: 4 games
Nene: 1 game (leaving bench)
Jerome James: 1 game (leaving bench)
Each team was fined $500,000.
Unknown if Isiah Thomas will get anything.
Carmelo Anthony: 15 games
J.R. Smith: 10 games
Nate Robinson: 10 games
Mardy Collins: 6 games
Jared Jeffries: 4 games
Nene: 1 game (leaving bench)
Jerome James: 1 game (leaving bench)
Each team was fined $500,000.
Unknown if Isiah Thomas will get anything.
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