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Losing Early, Now What Needs to Happen - 2010 Chaos Theory

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MaxBuck;1818458; said:
My understanding is that, in the event of a 3-way tie, Wisconsin goes to the Rose Bowl. So why does all this matter?
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I think 3-way tie uses BCS ranking to determine rose bowl berth. 2-way tie uses head-to-head.

There is still a slight chance we jump wisc in BCS, so we probably want MSU to win...unless NW pulls a miracle....
 
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Originally Posted by MaxBuck
1. BCS NC game is Oregon v. Auburn

2. Buckeyes clinch a spot in the Sugar Bowl, getting LSU as its opponent.

3. Wisconsin plays in the Rose Bowl against Stanford.

4. Boise and TCU play in other two BCS games, TCU against Nebraska and Boise against Pitt.

5. Auburn puts a serious beat-down on Oregon, winning 48-10 on a transcendent performance by Cam Newton.

6. Stanford beats Wisconsin 7-6 in a game in which both teams look like dogmeat.

7. Boise and TCU both lose in games that embarrassingly are not even close.

8. Buckeyes stomp LSU 38-14.

9. January 15 (or later) Cam Newton is declared ineligible by the NCAA for the 2010 season. Auburn's victory, and its NC, are vacated.

10. There is no BCS champion; vacated losses are not accompanied by awarded victories to the other team.

11. Only meaningful NCs are AP and ESPN - tOSU, ranked #2 to Auburn in final polls, is acknowledged by both entities following Auburn's disqualification as NC team as a consequence.
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A fun idea, but the bowls would have to take an ACC team as well, so one of those teams is going to be left out, most likely lower ranked boise st./TCU, Stanford, or Ohio State.
 
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CleveBucks;1818452; said:
I don't understand why you'd want Penn State to beat MSU. As soon as MSU loses, Wisconsin gets the Rose Bowl berth.
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Because we like BN27 and he absolutely loathes them. I mean, we all know we want MSU to win but it just isn't the done thing around here--out of respect for BN27 and all.

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This thread isn't about the Big 10 and the Rose bowl berth. This thread is Chaos to give OSU a shot at the title. We want PSU to look better in the comps. We still have an outside chance to jump Wisky if LSU and Stan lose. Those loses would bunch OSU and Wisky up in the human polls and possibly make up the difference of .05 in the BCS. So even if Wisky gets the Rose Bowl berth with a win on sat and a MSU loss, OSU could jump them and fight to be a top one loss team in the BCS standings.
 
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I just get irratated with the "OSU can't jump Wisky because of the head to head match up" nonsense. MSU beat them by double digits and is behind them in the polls. Not to mention that OSU was ahead of Wisky the week after the loss.

Week 8 Wisky beats us

BCS Coaches Harris
OSU 10 10 10
Wisky 13 11 11

Week 9
Wisky Beats Iowa
OSU 10 11 10
Wisky 9 10 9


So somehow Wisky beating Iowa gives the voters the idea that ok, maybe they are for real. Iowa ends up getting 2 more losses and Wisky never takes a hit in the human polls. We beat that same Iowa team and aren't given the same courtesy.

That Iowa loss to Northwestern is probably what is keeping Wisky ahead of us in the human polls. Iowa really let us down. Not to mention that we really needed to whoop up on them to pass Wisky.
 
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Tlangs;1818532; said:
I just get irratated with the "OSU can't jump Wisky because of the head to head match up" nonsense. MSU beat them by double digits and is behind them in the polls. Not to mention that OSU was ahead of Wisky the week after the loss.
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Right so if you figure in the difference between us and QWisky in the BCS it mostly lies in the Human polls with LSU and now Stan in between us. With losses from them(LSU and Stan) we can close the BCS gap and possibly jump them. .05 in the BCS is not that much. Boise close the gap to .001 with TCU with a win over a crappy team and TCU losing strength from a Utah loss. Nothing is impossible in college sports.
 
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It was considered a beatdown because folks love to stereotype things together.

It's the same reason that most of america came away thinking (& crowing) that OSU couldn't stop the spread because of that reinforcement a year after Glendale. Forget the dropback passer, the throwback fullback rushing for 3 yds (or less) & a cloud of dust 15 times, the playaction passes to the TE, or that trindon had almost no impact.

Les' squad beat up OSU's squad with Big Ten style football, yet most of America would be surprised by that categorization.
 
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Tlangs;1818532; said:
I just get irratated with the "OSU can't jump Wisky because of the head to head match up" nonsense.

MSU beat them by double digits and is behind them in the polls. Not to mention that OSU was ahead of Wisky the week after the loss.

Week 8 Wisky beats us

BCS Coaches Harris
OSU 10 10 10
Wisky 13 11 11

Week 9
Wisky Beats Iowa
OSU 10 11 10
Wisky 9 10 9


So somehow Wisky beating Iowa gives the voters the idea that ok, maybe they are for real. Iowa ends up getting 2 more losses and Wisky never takes a hit in the human polls. We beat that same Iowa team and aren't given the same courtesy.

That Iowa loss to Northwestern is probably what is keeping Wisky ahead of us in the human polls. Iowa really let us down.
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I agree. However tOSU has been getting dogged in the polls for weeks...beating Iowa gained them a robust 13 points total in the Coaches, AP and Harris polls...the week before after dominating PSU in the 2nd half they lose 33 points...and after the bye week tOSU gained 310 points...How in the fuck does that make any sense???

Since 10/16 in Madison:

Ohio State schedule and resulting poll movement:

11/20 Win @ Iowa by 3= gain 13 points.
11/13 Win vs. PSU @ Home by 24 = lose 33 points.
11/6 Bye week = gain 310 points.
10/30 Win @ Minnesota by 42 = gain 290 points.
10/23 Plunger rape Purdue @ Home 49-0 = gain 163 points.

Total gain 743 points


Wisconsin schedule and resulting poll movement:

11/20 Win @ tsun by 20 = gain 61 points.
11/13 Plunger rape Indiana @ Home by 63 = gain 46 points.
11/6 Win @ Purdue by 21 = gain 341 points.
10/30 Bye week = 362 points.
10/23 Win @ Iowa by 1 point. = gain 459 points.

Total gain 1,269 points

Very similar schedules resulting in 4 wins for both teams. (Wisconsin outscoring their opponents by 105 points and tOSU outscoring their opponents by 118)

Just not getting the respect from voters.
 
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jwinslow;1818554; said:
It was considered a beatdown because folks love to stereotype things together.

It's the same reason that most of america came away thinking (& crowing) that OSU couldn't stop the spread because of that reinforcement a year after Glendale. Forget the dropback passer, the throwback fullback rushing for 3 yds (or less) & a cloud of dust 15 times, the playaction passes to the TE, or that trindon had almost no impact.

Les' squad beat up OSU's squad with Big Ten style football, yet most of America would be surprised by that categorization.
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Look, no one is saying that the over-achieving 07 squad sucked. Obviously they did not. If anything, they were a victim of their unexpected and dominant defensive play (after losing so many starters), and in performing so well after re-loading that they made it to the BCSCG.

But I was incorrect earlier, as it was 31 unanswered points. Try to put lipstick on that all you want Josh, 31 unanswered in a MNC game is kinda beat down-ish. The 31 unanswered points was the thing that struck most people who watched it, not whether the loss was old school T formation or spread oriented.
 
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