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Evan;953162; said:
What does it take to win a NC? The perfect mix of talent, coaching, schedule, and yes media hype. If you don't get the hype, and the votes, it doesn't matter. Not only is it going to be hard enough to finish the season unbeaten, but it will be even harder to shake off the stigma from last year. We have what is considered a weak schedule, couple that with people not wanting to see an "over rated Ohio State team" blown out by another "invincible SEC powerhouse" and you can easily find ourself in a situation where the media will pump up CAL or Oregon, or who knows maybe even a USF, or one of those other 11 currently unbeaten teams while the weak big10 gets relegated to a lesser BCS bowl.

Can it happen, sure, but there are a lot of if's. Lets not go anointing ourselves 2 time NC winners with this current crop of guys just yet.
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While I see your points I am not going to agree with them. If we run the table and another team from a BCS conference runs the table in addition to LSU or Cal, yes, I think that other team will get the nod. However, if there are two unbeatens, they will play each other, no matter how much media hype there is. tOSU was given no respect in 2002, people were saying they would rather a 1 loss team went so at least the game wouldn't be such a blowout, yet we went and we did our thing.

Sure, the hype helps, and yes people are looking at our conference as weak, however, if we win our games, and do what we do, hopefully the rest will work itself out.

There seems to be this idea that if we are unbeaten and USC or Cal is third with a loss they will get the nod over us, but that's why the BCS system is there, if there are two unbeaten teams from the six BCS conferences, they go to the big dance.

Either way, it's silly to be discussing this, we are halfway through the season with the real meat of our schedule coming up in a few weeks.
 
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OCBucksFan;953168; said:
While I see your points I am not going to agree with them. If we run the table and another team from a BCS conference runs the table in addition to LSU or Cal, yes, I think that other team will get the nod. However, if there are two unbeatens, they will play each other, no matter how much media hype there is. tOSU was given no respect in 2002, people were saying they would rather a 1 loss team went so at least the game wouldn't be such a blowout, yet we went and we did our thing.

Sure, the hype helps, and yes people are looking at our conference as weak, however, if we win our games, and do what we do, hopefully the rest will work itself out.

There seems to be this idea that if we are unbeaten and USC or Cal is third with a loss they will get the nod over us, but that's why the BCS system is there, if there are two unbeaten teams from the six BCS conferences, they go to the big dance.

Either way, it's silly to be discussing this, we are halfway through the season with the real meat of our schedule coming up in a few weeks.
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I agree with that last part completely, we're only half way through our schedule, lets not congratulate ourselves just yet. (let alone start talking about next year)

But for arguments sake, picture a world with a 1 loss LSU, an undefeated CAL, an undefeated Hawaii, and an undefeated Ohio State.

Who goes to the dance...I'd like to think it would be us, and it certainly wouldn't be Hawaii, but you know Mouse Ears would be screaming for that LSU vs CAL matchup, pit the top PAC10 and SEC teams because everyone knows those are the best two conferences.

Of course who's to say we won't end up with UConn and Missouri duking it out in the NC this year :biggrin:
 
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Waller;953157; said:
All due respect, but the QB passing efficiency is one of the most unserviceable stats out there. In 2002, Krenzel was rated at 14. Does that number really reflect his Qb skills? Hardly. Does Boeckman's rating of 13 really mean he is the 13th best QB in the country? Again, I highly doubt it. If Boeckman can play his role and keep winning, no one is more happy than me. But he is not a great QB, and at this point, I don't think he can be one. He can fulfill the needs of this team. Good enough for me, and that was my only point.

GO BUCKS!
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What is your fetish with the word "servicable"? :roll1:

They call it "Passing Efficiency" ratings instead of "Best Quarterback" ratings for a reason. "Servicable" quarterbacks don't have a 63.64% completion percentage, get over 8 yards per attempt, and have a TD/INT of almost 2.5-to-1...they also don't start for Ohio State.
 
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MililaniBuckeye;953188; said:
What is your fetish with the word "servicable"? :roll1:

They call it "Passing Efficiency" ratings instead of "Best Quarterback" ratings for a reason. "Servicable" quarterbacks don't have a 63.64% completion percentage, get over 8 yards per attempt, and have a TD/INT of almost 2.5-to-1...they also don't start for Ohio State.
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Unless you last name happens to be Bellisari.......

But that was at the very beginning of JT's tenure and it seems like it was eons ago. With the rise of the program Mili is on target. You don't have to be a Superstar to play QB at OSU, you just have to manage the game and not turn the ball over. In that regard TB is more than serviceable he is a damn superstar.........
 
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Evan;953162; said:
What does it take to win a NC? The perfect mix of talent, coaching, schedule, and yes media hype. If you don't get the hype, and the votes, it doesn't matter. Not only is it going to be hard enough to finish the season unbeaten, but it will be even harder to shake off the stigma from last year. We have what is considered a weak schedule, couple that with people not wanting to see an "over rated Ohio State team" blown out by another "invincible SEC powerhouse" and you can easily find ourself in a situation where the media will pump up CAL or Oregon, or who knows maybe even a USF, or one of those other 11 currently unbeaten teams while the weak big10 gets relegated to a lesser BCS bowl.

Can it happen, sure, but there are a lot of if's. Lets not go anointing ourselves 2 time NC winners with this current crop of guys just yet.
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Gee, you might try and read my posting again. I didn't predict that we would get there, only that given the talent on the team, we might get there. Secondly, it appears you don't understand how the BCS works. Unless you believe Cal AND LSU are going to go undefeated, we don't have to worry about the media at all. One of those loses, and we go undefeated, and we play in the NC no matter what the media thinks. If you think USF leaps over OSU for the NC with both being undefeated, you are more delusional than the homers.

GO BUCKS!
 
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Evan;953183; said:
I agree with that last part completely, we're only half way through our schedule, lets not congratulate ourselves just yet. (let alone start talking about next year)

But for arguments sake, picture a world with a 1 loss LSU, an undefeated CAL, an undefeated Hawaii, and an undefeated Ohio State.

Who goes to the dance...I'd like to think it would be us, and it certainly wouldn't be Hawaii, but you know Mouse Ears would be screaming for that LSU vs CAL matchup, pit the top PAC10 and SEC teams because everyone knows those are the best two conferences.

Of course who's to say we won't end up with UConn and Missouri duking it out in the NC this year :biggrin:
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It wouldn't matter, the BCS is there for a reason, we would have a 100% winning percentage, it would take a lot to move us into third. Sure, people may not want to see the game but as I said, that's the agreement the coaches agreed to.

Sure, the SEC will try to use the 12th man, meaning the other coaches and Les Miles shitty comments, but if we run the table and Cal runs the table, we play Cal.

Hawaii isn't in a BCS conference, they are in the WaC.

Besides, the BCS was created to decide a true NC, if you put a one loss LSU in against Cal, and say send us to the Rose Bowl, we take out SC and Cal takes out LSU, but we took out USC by a bigger margin than Cal did, then you have another split NC issue.
 
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Waller;953200; said:
Gee, you might try and read my posting again. I didn't predict that we would get there, only that given the talent on the team, we might get there. Secondly, it appears you don't understand how the BCS works. Unless you believe Cal AND LSU are going to go undefeated, we don't have to worry about the media at all. One of those loses, and we go undefeated, and we play in the NC no matter what the media thinks. If you think USF leaps over OSU for the NC with both being undefeated, you are more delusional than the homers.

GO BUCKS!
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Not sure where you're getting your info, but I believe you're wrong. I just did a quick doublecheck on the BCS selection process and it doesn't say one thing about undefeated teams. It makes lots of mentions about BCS Rankings though. See it was my understanding that everything was based on rank. #1 vs #2, but who decides those rankings? It's based on a mixture of human polls and computer rankings and lucky for everyone due to some past dissatisfaction with the computers, the human polls significantly outweigh the computers. Which means a consensus stronger PAC10 and SEC could push voters to pick a 1 loss team from there over an undefeated OSU.
 
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Evan;953252; said:
Not sure where you're getting your info, but I believe you're wrong. I just did a quick doublecheck on the BCS selection process and it doesn't say one thing about undefeated teams. It makes lots of mentions about BCS Rankings though. See it was my understanding that everything was based on rank. #1 vs #2, but who decides those rankings? It's based on a mixture of human polls and computer rankings and lucky for everyone due to some past dissatisfaction with the computers, the human polls significantly outweigh the computers. Which means a consensus stronger PAC10 and SEC could push voters to pick a 1 loss team from there over an undefeated OSU.
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My info comes from watching the process for a number of years. 2002: no one except a Buckeye wanted OSU in the game. Didn't matter as we won out. As several other posters have already noted, in your scenerio, Cal and OSU goes, media be damned. 2007: as you noted we are not media darlings this year, and played in a supposedly weak conference. The result: we kept winning, and are number 3 where we should be. No one loss team is going to jump the Buckeyes. The only team that had a slight chance of that just lost their second game (Florida).

GO BUCKS!
 
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Evan;953162; said:
This is the kind of head in the clouds, we are invincible, uber homer fandom that makes me hate fans of other teams.

Sure we have a much better shot of claiming something like this than a Domer ever does (oh wait, they're going to win 4 with Tate right?) but come on.

What does it take to win a NC? The perfect mix of talent, coaching, schedule, and yes media hype. If you don't get the hype, and the votes, it doesn't matter. Not only is it going to be hard enough to finish the season unbeaten, but it will be even harder to shake off the stigma from last year. We have what is considered a weak schedule, couple that with people not wanting to see an "over rated Ohio State team" blown out by another "invincible SEC powerhouse" and you can easily find ourself in a situation where the media will pump up CAL or Oregon, or who knows maybe even a USF, or one of those other 11 currently unbeaten teams while the weak big10 gets relegated to a lesser BCS bowl.

Can it happen, sure, but there are a lot of if's. Lets not go anointing ourselves 2 time NC winners with this current crop of guys just yet.
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it would take a real asshole not to recognize our improved defense.....this defense is freakin unreal....call me a homer, but these guys are the ravens/bears of championship teams
 
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korchiki;953434; said:
First things first :io:


With that said... i understand that its great that JT trusts our receivers enough to make a play on a deep ball but i still feel like we have the speed to out run/out route run any DB...
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I am not saying there is anything wrong with that, and he lead Small on his td catch...

But I think the main point they are trying to make with Boeckman is just to not over throw the deep ball, just put it out there where the receiver is and let him try and make the catch...Keep in mind on the balls to Robo and Hartline that were picked they were not behind the defense...
 
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crazybuckfan40;953969; said:
But I think the main point they are trying to make with Boeckman is just to not over throw the deep ball, just put it out there where the receiver is and let him try and make the catch
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That's the problem in my opinion, most, not all, of his long balls look like Hail Mary's.
 
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