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Lance Armstrong

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Taosman;2199837; said:
http://news.yahoo.com/uci-asks-usada-explain-case-against-armstrong-113228821--spt.html
"As USADA has claimed jurisdiction in the case the UCI expects that it will issue a reasoned decision" explaining the action taken, the UCI said, adding that legal procedures obliged USADA to fulfill this demand in cases "where no hearing occurs."
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America has instituted the system of both checks and balances as well as trials that are overseen by an impartial judge as well as an impartial jury.

The USADA is the judge, jury, and lawyer. They run around with all the power and no proof to the people that are reading their garbage, yet we have blind sheep that follow around leaders with nothing but unseen claims. Gotta love it...
 
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SEREbuckeye;2199866; said:
America has instituted the system of both checks and balances as well as trials that are overseen by an impartial judge as well as an impartial jury.

The USADA is the judge, jury, and lawyer. They run around with all the power and no proof to the people that are reading their garbage, yet we have blind sheep that follow around leaders with nothing but unseen claims. Gotta love it...
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slow down man.....you are approaching BWI territory.

Yes it was a witch hunt. Armstrong needed to keep fighting, not quit. However he did and won't speak to the issue anymore. Draw your own conclusions.

but bringing up our national judicial system and now it relates to the USADA is teetering on the edge of being like those mutant subhuman fucktards over there. Please for all that is Holy not go there.
 
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BuckeyeMike80;2199868; said:
slow down man.....you are approaching BWI territory.

Yes it was a witch hunt. Armstrong needed to keep fighting, not quit. However he did and won't speak to the issue anymore. Draw your own conclusions.

but bringing up our national judicial system and now it relates to the USADA is teetering on the edge of being like those mutant subhuman [censored]tards over there. Please for all that is Holy not go there.
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Not too sure what "BWI" is - Baltimore-Washington International? Sorry not too read up on all the internet message board lingo.

I have no clue what "mutant subhuman tads over there" in which you speak of? I bring up the judicial system and how it relates because this is a matter that has went before a US Court, so it does have its own merits that are tied into the legal and judicial system. When you are talking about an arbitration hearing the only thing you can correctly compare it to a hearing that is ruled on by a set of jurors, so Im not really sure how this is wrong? The biggest issue that is on hand is that the USADA follows its own guidelines and convictions so I dont see how its bad to compare that to a system of checks and balances.
 
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SEREbuckeye;2199565; said:
Yeah, he seems like it. Whats up with that non-profit organization that raised $500 Mil for cancer survivors and patients? What a douche. Not to mention starting the charity of Athletes for Hope. Finally, Im just plain shocked with him headlining the cancer charity ride "Pelotonia" there in Colmbus, Ohio. Guy sounds horrible. :biggrin:

Gosh, whats with the hatred toward this guy, it wasn't until this thread opened up that I have read negativity about Lance. I mean that in an honest question, why all the hatred?
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Nobody has said a damn thing negative about his fundraising. Everyone respects that. But it has nothing to do with cycling or him being an asshole from what many have said. I don't know the guy, so I'm not going to judge him on whether or not he's a nice guy. But assholes can still raise funds.

My opinion toward Armstrong is based on him dominating a dirty sport. Him giving up on his fight, despite being the champion of not giving up, just makes me feel a little more confident about it.
 
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3074326;2199897; said:
Nobody has said a damn thing negative about his fundraising. Everyone respects that. But it has nothing to do with cycling or him being an asshole from what many have said. I don't know the guy, so I'm not going to judge him on whether or not he's a nice guy. But assholes can still raise funds.

My opinion toward Armstrong is based on him dominating a dirty sport. Him giving up on his fight, despite being the champion of not giving up, just makes me feel a little more confident about it.
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Man, usually selflessness and a person that is a supposed "asshole" doesn't go hand in hand.

IMO, people are just too sensitive in life.
 
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SEREbuckeye;2199870; said:
Not too sure what "BWI" is - Baltimore-Washington International? Sorry not too read up on all the internet message board lingo.

I have no clue what "mutant subhuman tads over there" in which you speak of? I bring up the judicial system and how it relates because this is a matter that has went before a US Court, so it does have its own merits that are tied into the legal and judicial system. When you are talking about an arbitration hearing the only thing you can correctly compare it to a hearing that is ruled on by a set of jurors, so Im not really sure how this is wrong? The biggest issue that is on hand is that the USADA follows its own guidelines and convictions so I dont see how its bad to compare that to a system of checks and balances.
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BWI is Blue and White Illustrated. It's a Penn State board comprised of Paterno loyalists in an unhealthy state of denial. But Paterno also didn't get a trial. Freeh acted as judge, jury, and executioner of his legacy. Or at least that's what the subhumans on their board would say.

As far as the US District Court goes, Armstrong's case was tossed... twice. The first time he and his legal team earned themselves a stern lecture from the judge for engaging in behavior that was borderline abuse of process. The 2nd time it was dismissed in about a month - which is very quick for a federal civil case.

Arbritration is a process that is used quite often by parties to avoid the inefficiency of the judicial process. Civil suits in America can take up to 3-4 years at the trial level - not counting appeal. Binding arbitration can last about 90 days. So it's a lot faster. Typical arbitration consists of a neutral arbitrator not tied to either party. I'm not sure what the situation is with USADA's arbitration process.

The federal court determined that Armstrong and USADA had an arbitration agreement - which eliminated the court's jurisdicton. Armstrong strong elected not to exercise his right to an arbitration hearing which would have put the evidence on record - whether it would have been made public is unknown.
 
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I would love to believe that Lance was innocent. But of all these former associates that were prepared to testify I am not aware of one who was saying they were being steamrolled into saying something that was not true.

I haven't followed the case in extreme detail, so if those statements are out there I would appreciate someone pointing me in that direction.
 
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Lance Armstrong's Tour de France Titles Stripped: Who Gets Them Now?

With Lance Armstrong stripped of his seven Tour de France titles for doping, simple logic might suggest that his runners-up from 1999 to 2005 would just inherit them, right?
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French newspaper Liberation on Friday posited its unofficial estimate about "potential winners" based on a sweeping calculation that excluded any rider who tested positive, was implicated in doping, or even had contact with teams or doctors suspected of banned practices during the Armstrong era.
For example, the newspaper claimed little-known Italian Daniele Nardello was the highest-placed rider in the 2000 Tour never implicated in any doping or suspicion ? and he finished 10th that year.
The daily also suggested the 2002 title could go to Carlos Sastre, the 10th-place finisher that year, and another for 2004 when he placed eighth. The Spaniard did win the Tour outright in 2008 ? a race riddled with doping scandals. Also by Liberation's reckoning, Cadel Evans of Australia, who won the 2011 Tour, would also have won in 2005, when he was eighth.

Entire article: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/25/lance-armstrong-tour-de-france-titles-heir_n_1830443.html
 
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Oh8ch;2199938; said:
I would love to believe that Lance was innocent. But of all these former associates that were prepared to testify I am not aware of one who was saying they were being steamrolled into saying something that was not true.

I haven't followed the case in extreme detail, so if those statements are out there I would appreciate someone pointing me in that direction.
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It doesnt have to be that they were steamrolled into saying things that were not true. The "witnesses" could just have an axe to grind against Lance if indeed he is the "dickhead" people say he is.

Lance, to me, is like the Jeff Gordon of biking. Much like Gordon he is doing great in a sport that his background doesn't very much support (Gordon not a southerner, Lance not Euro).
 
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Adorable BWI references aside, there was actual evidence of a cover-up at Penn State. The USADA hasn't yet released any physical evidence that he was doping. If they're going solely off of testimonies from people like Floyd Landis, who seems like he would admit to shooting down JFK Jr. at this point, and a sketchy French lab that's already been nailed for mishandling samples then, no, there's no reason to believe them.
 
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SEREbuckeye;2199917; said:
Man, usually selflessness and a person that is a supposed "asshole" doesn't go hand in hand.

IMO, people are just too sensitive in life.
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Livestrong raised a lot of money for cancer "stuff", but I don't know that selfless would be an accurate way to describe Lance's involvement there, considering how closely the foundation has been intertwined with his personal reputation (and Nike & Radioshack sponsorships) during a decade of doping suspicion.


http://www.outsideonline.com/outdoo...rong/Its-Not-About-the-Lab-Rats.html?page=all
 
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Just felt this belongs here, lol.


http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTKIsZYCc44Iw4cISufxa9DR--u7uO2Qy_sTrSgkjpUzOiLDZAs&t=1
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I doubt anyone with knowledge of pro cycling still believes he's innocent. But this "investigation" is a sham and a waste of money.

SI speaks to the truth of the situation. No one really cares but the idiots running the USADA. The USADA is grandstanding to get more money and power. "The U.S. Anti-Doping Agency says Lance Armstrong cheated to win bike races. Armstrong says he is trying to cure cancer. I think a lot of people would rather listen to
Armstrong."
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/mo...e-armstrong-drops-doping-fight/#ixzz24gKnTtog
 
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SEREbuckeye;2199957; said:
It doesnt have to be that they were steamrolled into saying things that were not true. The "witnesses" could just have an axe to grind against Lance if indeed he is the "dickhead" people say he is.

Lance, to me, is like the Jeff Gordon of biking. Much like Gordon he is doing great in a sport that his background doesn't very much support (Gordon not a southerner, Lance not Euro).
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It is not just Landis, Hamilton and Betsy Andreu.

It has been suggested that Levi Leipheimer, George Hincapie, David Zabriskie, Christian Vande Velde and Jonathan Vaughters all provided testimony against Armstrong. I have yet to hear one of them speak in his defense. If they were all being blackmailed it would be easy to come out as a group and say so.

Beyond that, to suggest that he is giving up the fight because he is just tired of it is nonsense. This fight is everything for him and it is carried forward largely by attorneys, not Lance himself.
 
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