Lance Armstrong

[OSU_Buckguy]

The BWI is strong with this one.

i'm not a cycling enthusiast, tdf follower, or armstrong fan. this controversy leaves me wholly unfazed. what i do know, however, is that the parties on all sides of this ordeal suck and suck almost equally. the sport is dirty. the athletes are dirty. the governing bodies are dirty. and the media who have a dog in the fight are dirty, too.

in short...

 

[SEREbuckeye]

So if Im understanding this right, as a very novice Biking fan.

The USADA can - and did - drag someone through the mud in the court of public opinion. Say whatever they want about an athlete to the point that even without giving the public any evidence, they make others believe in them. Afterward they take whatever evidence they have, hire whomever they wish to then do a binding arbitration for them vs the guy they are going against? Sounds pretty damn shady.

Only question I have is why is the public so quick to believe what the USADA say as gospel and convict Lance Armstrong without even seeing a piece of evidence? Is it because the feat of 7 consecutive titles is pretty hard to believe or does the public just blindly believe in any company that makes an acronym of their company containg the words "US" so they now sound official?

 

[BayBuck]

i'm not a cycling enthusiast, tdf follower, or armstrong fan. this controversy leaves me wholly unfazed. what i do know, however, is that the parties on all sides of this ordeal suck and suck almost equally. the sport is dirty. the athletes are dirty. the governing bodies are dirty. and the media who have a dog in the fight are dirty, too.

in short...

Wasn't referring to you at all, unless you're the redditor who wrote that particular manifesto full of FACTS and evidents.

I never gave two flips about bike racing with or without Lance, it's just always been clear he's a POS personally and I'm not sad to see it all go up in flames for him and his game.

 

[SEREbuckeye]

I never gave two flips about bike racing with or without Lance, it's just always been clear he's a POS personally and I'm not sad to see it all go up in flames for him and his game.

Yeah, he seems like it. Whats up with that non-profit organization that raised $500 Mil for cancer survivors and patients? What a douche. Not to mention starting the charity of Athletes for Hope. Finally, Im just plain shocked with him headlining the cancer charity ride "Pelotonia" there in Colmbus, Ohio. Guy sounds horrible.

Gosh, whats with the hatred toward this guy, it wasn't until this thread opened up that I have read negativity about Lance. I mean that in an honest question, why all the hatred?

 

[Buckeye513]

Gosh, whats with the hatred toward this guy, it wasn't until this thread opened up that I have read negativity about Lance. I mean that in an honest question, why all the hatred?

I've always read that he was an asshole, particularly to other people involved in cycling.

Obviously this means that the USADA is right.

 

[BayBuck]

Yeah, he seems like it. Whats up with that non-profit organization that raised $500 Mil for cancer survivors and patients? What a douche. Not to mention starting the charity of Athletes for Hope. Finally, Im just plain shocked with him headlining the cancer charity ride "Pelotonia" there in Colmbus, Ohio. Guy sounds horrible.

Gosh, whats with the hatred toward this guy, it wasn't until this thread opened up that I have read negativity about Lance. I mean that in an honest question, why all the hatred?

Yeah I'm sure no other asshole or cheater ever did anything positive for his fellow man. Did the USADA take back all the LiveStrong money? No? Well then I guess it's good he made a difference before being exposed as a total fraud. As for Pelotonia that's Tom Lennox's show and it will do just fine with all the non-doping amateurs who support OSU and the James.

 

[SEREbuckeye]

Yeah I'm sure no other asshole or cheater ever did anything positive for his fellow man. Did the USADA take back all the LiveStrong money? No? Well then I guess it's good he made a difference before being exposed as a total fraud. As for Pelotonia that's Tom Lennox's show and it will do just fine with all the non-doping amateurs who support OSU and the James.

Meh, the accusations were going on while he was making a difference in the world. The ACCUSATIONS are still going on bud and so will Lance's non-profit stuff I guess.

 

[Muck]

How does the US governing body have any standing in stripping wins of a France run race?

I was wondering that as well. I have a hard time believing the USADA has authority over who the ASO awards championships to.

That's like saying anyone who takes a plea bargain is proven guilty. That's ridiculous, and at odds with the law for good reason.

Speaking of which how many of the 'witnesses' were given incentive to testify against Armstrong by being offered plea deals?

 

[Taosman]

So if Im understanding this right, as a very novice Biking fan.

The USADA can - and did - drag someone through the mud in the court of public opinion. Say whatever they want about an athlete to the point that even without giving the public any evidence, they make others believe in them. Afterward they take whatever evidence they have, hire whomever they wish to then do a binding arbitration for them vs the guy they are going against? Sounds pretty damn shady.

Only question I have is why is the public so quick to believe what the USADA say as gospel and convict Lance Armstrong without even seeing a piece of evidence? Is it because the feat of 7 consecutive titles is pretty hard to believe or does the public just blindly believe in any company that makes an acronym of their company containing the words "US" so they now sound official?

I think when people see xxxx Organization they tend to believe authorites can do no wrong. The USADA runs like a dictatorship with what it believes is unlimited power. Unlimited authority. The way they went about this witch hunt is suspicious and even embarassing.

 

[ucfknight]

The day we start just accepting cheaters in sports is the day I stop watching. If I want to watch fake juiced up athletes cheating to win, I'll watch the WWE.

Yet the USADA employee's people who are no better than the athletes who juice. Look at Jeff Novitzky, his only job at the usada essentially is looking through trash and dogging the athletes 24/7.

 

[OH10]

Yet the USADA employee's people who are no better than the athletes who juice. Look at Jeff Novitzky, his only job at the usada essentially is looking through trash and dogging the athletes 24/7.

Well tell the athletes to stop sifting through the trash for an unfair advantage and they won't get dogged 24/7.

Speaking of which how many of the 'witnesses' were given incentive to testify against Armstrong by being offered plea deals?

Happens all the time and there a thousand of Americans sitting in prison right now because of those types of deals. Just so happens there were quite a few witnesses against Lance - more than you see in your average criminal case based on eyewitness testimony.

 

[ScriptOhio]

http://store.theonion.com/p-5045-cheat-to-win-bracelet.aspx

Lance Armstrong charity sees $78K

If the donations to the Lance Armstrong Foundation are to tail off, it certainly didn't happen the day after Armstrong decided to stop fighting charges that he used performance-enhancing drugs during his cycling career.

The Livestrong foundation's CEO, Doug Ulman, told ESPN on Friday night that unsolicited donations were up almost 25 times as compared to Thursday.
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Merchandise sales were up almost threefold, from $4,000 in gear sold on Thursday to $11,000 sold on Friday.

Entire article: http://espn.go.com/olympics/cycling...ees-78k-donations-25-times-greater-normal-day

 

[Taosman]

The USADA has pervue over all US Olympic testing so how does Armstrong get covered by this non-profit, non-government organization? This stinks of politics. I think they are looking to be more powerful and a bigger player in this country in sports testing and investigation/punishment. Like a District Attorney that is thinking about running for Mayor. He wants notoriety by reeling in a big catch. Armstrong is one of the biggest fish in sports.

 

[Taosman]

http://news.yahoo.com/uci-asks-usada-explain-case-against-armstrong-113228821--spt.html
"As USADA has claimed jurisdiction in the case the UCI expects that it will issue a reasoned decision" explaining the action taken, the UCI said, adding that legal procedures obliged USADA to fulfill this demand in cases "where no hearing occurs."

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

I was wondering that as well. I have a hard time believing the USADA has authority over who the ASO awards championships to.

USADA has zero authority over the seven TdF titles...zilch.