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Lachey may seek support.

I have a friend who has 4 children. His wife makes twice as much money as him. She went out and cheated, then left him. He has to pay her $1200./month child support. Yea, that's fair.


yeah, but he is supporting his children and not her. We all know that every single cent of that $1200 that he send her every month is going to the kids......

So, how's he like living in a cardboard box?
 
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You are right. It is far better to base your opinions on some article you read than on your personal life experiences.


By the way, am I drunk?

Glad you are starting to get it. It is much better to post from a study that may have been funded by some crazy anti man group than personal experiences.

I could tell you about My uncle who is getting screwed by his crazy ex over money. Even though he had to change jobs and is making less than he did at the time of the divorce he payments did not go down at all. I could also tell you about how the ex wife tells his kids what a horrible father he is, even though he is the one that always buys them new things and has to fight to be able to get them for any holidays. Of course she doesn't do anything with them on the holidays...she just doesn't want them to have them.

But that is just one story, I won't bother you with the other stories I know....but that isn't important right now...whats important is that there is a random article that supports jc's arguement so he doesn't need to give any other answer. So please move on
 
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So anyway...I thought this thread was about Nick Lachey being the biggest douchebag not named Lloyd. But it turned all political.

He could write a book and make some money. Or whore himself out to Michigan girls...they pay for good sex cuz you can't find any in Michigan.
 
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You sidestepped my question, do you know of any men who gained custody of their children?

I have other freinds that are stuck in shitty marraiges because they don't want to lose their kids.

I guess I didn't answer your question directly, which is no. I did, however, agree with you that men don't get custody often enough because courts are allowed to use gender as a consideration for who is the better parent. I think that is an improper gender stereotype that shouldn't be allowed. I'm not sure why it matters if I personally know anyone who has earned custody when I agreed with your overall point.

Buckeye319 said:
You are right. It is far better to base your opinions on some article you read than on your personal life experiences.

buckeyefool said:
Glad you are starting to get it. It is much better to post from a study that may have been funded by some crazy anti man group than personal experiences

I know....but that isn't important right now...whats important is that there is a random article that supports jc's arguement so he doesn't need to give any other answer. So please move on

I guess what I should do instead is just make fun of people who disagree with me, and not try to support my arguments with any sort of factual basis. The article isn't random. I would have posted the entire thing with the link, but I found it on LexisNexis so I don't think you could access it anyhow, and it is rather long. If you are actually interested in reading the entire article, or in reading any of the books that the author relied on to write the article I can give you that information, but I'm sure you have no interest in actually learning about anyone's views that might be different from your own. Especially since any writing that supports the idea that women are oppressed is obviously written by lesbian man haters.

buckeyefool said:
I could tell you about My uncle who is getting screwed by his crazy ex over money. Even though he had to change jobs and is making less than he did at the time of the divorce he payments did not go down at all. I could also tell you about how the ex wife tells his kids what a horrible father he is, even though he is the one that always buys them new things and has to fight to be able to get them for any holidays. Of course she doesn't do anything with them on the holidays...she just doesn't want them to have them.

Is it really surprising that all the men on this forum have stories from their friends about how the guy got screwed in the divorce? I have little doubt that if I went out and interviewed a number of women who were divorced or had divorced friends that they might offer a somewhat different perspective on the matter. One that might include dead-beat dads that never pay child support (Although I'm sure in all of those cases the man is just too poor to pay anything because the court screwed him over out of all his hard earned cash).

Divorce is a very confrontational proceeding, and I wouldn't be surprised that if in most circumstances both sides feel in the end that they are receiving the raw end of the deal. However, I just don't feel sorry for any man who has to pay money to his wife or kids. If money is what is most important to you then don't get married. If you choose to enter into a legal relationship and gain benefits from that relationship, you should know the consequences of what could happen if that relationship fails.
 
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I. However, I just don't feel sorry for any man who has to pay money to his wife or kids. If money is what is most important to you then don't get married. If you choose to enter into a legal relationship and gain benefits from that relationship, you should know the consequences of what could happen if that relationship fails.

So only the man should have to pay money? Is the man the only one who benifits from being married? I don't think it is a matter of people having a problem with paying money when they shoudl ahve to. I do know a couple of divorced people who pay child support and have no problem doing so. However there are allot of cases out there of a guy having to pay money to a woman after a divorce and the kid is treated horribly by the mother. Or what about when the wife is the one that cheats? Should the ex hubby still have to pay alamony?

One thing I support is that the money goes into an account that can only be used for the actually care of the children. be it grocery, cloths, sports doctor bills etc. Not just a check that goes to the ex wife that she could use however she wants.

And as far as your little comment I have done plenty of research myself on this and can tell you that their are horror stories from both sides, of people getting screwed on both sides. Hell I was just reading an article the other day about how women have beniffitted the most from no fault divorce laws. But I am sure you wouldn't care about that since it doesn't agree with you.
 
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jc- you're 24 years old man. Wait until you have experienced life a little. Then, make an opinion of your own...instead of one off the internet articles. What we are saying is from personal experience.

Nobody is trying to run you down for your opinion. We are just trying to get you to stop ovulating.:)
 
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jc_ultimate said:
I. However, I just don't feel sorry for any man who has to pay money to his wife or kids. If money is what is most important to you then don't get married. If you choose to enter into a legal relationship and gain benefits from that relationship, you should know the consequences of what could happen if that relationship fails.

In my circle of experience it is never about the $$, and I would bet that 8 out of 10 times for everyone else it isn't either. It is about the kids, there are guys, I would hope a very small percentage of guys that are just assholes. The problem I have is that the fathers send $$ and have absolutely no say so whatsoever on how the $$ is spent (see story of freind who pays almost $10k a year and still have to buy the kid decent clothes). If fathers are going to get screwed out of equal oportunity for custody they should at the very least get a say in what their $$ is spent on.
 
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