Lachey may seek support.

[Thump]

JC- under your name, you should put Oprah's bitch instead of Jon's roomate.

If you can't beat em, join em.

As much as he stands up for them I'm starting to wonder if he's male of female.

 

[Thump]

You are comparing me to a billionaire black business woman?

Are you saying I should have my own talk show?

Yes. That's exactly it.

 

[OSUsushichic]

Quit the insults, guys. Am I going to have to vbitch slap both of you?

 

[Thump]

Quit the insults, guys. Am I going to have to bitch slap both of you?

Hey, I've been keeping my pimp hand strong.

 

[buckeyefool]

You were implying that women have had the better end of marriage law/property law throughout history, and I think that view is short-sighted and sexist. If that means I'm a dickhead then so be it.

Let Me ask you this jc, lets say you and your bf move and get married. In this time you work your ass off and make all the money while he just sits there, do you think he deserves half for doing nothing but taking a dick for a few years?

Just because in the 1800's the law was not in favor of women does not mena that the men today should be punished. In a way you could actually say that it was Nick Lachey who made her what she is today. It was really the show newleweds who started pushing her everywhere. He is the one who from what it sounds like got her to sex it up a little instead of being very conservative in her looks and style. I hope he does get a bunch of money as it sounds more like she was a real bitch in the relationship once she got rich.

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

You were implying that women have had the better end of marriage law/property law throughout history, and I think that view is short-sighted and sexist.

You may think it's short-sighted and sexist, but they have for the last 50-70 years. It's a real rarity for men to get property and/or monetary settlements from their wives.

 

[jc_ultimate]

JC- under your name, you should put Oprah's bitch instead of Jon's roomate.

If you can't beat em, join em.

As much as he stands up for them I'm starting to wonder if he's male of female.

Let Me ask you this jc, lets say you and your bf move and get married.

So basically if someone supports feminism they are either

a.) someone's bitch

b.) a female

or

c.) gay

You people are ridiculous.

You may think it's short-sighted and sexist, but they have for the last 50-70 years. It's a real rarity for men to get property and/or monetary settlements from their wives.

Well that's nice to point out, but this dicussion has caused me to do some quick research and it seems like women haven't exactly been benefitting all that much from modern divorce law.

I'm reading a law review article that's main points are that no-fault divorce reform following WWII has unintentionally had a negative effect on women. The laws are facially trying to create equality by treating the parties as equal, but it discounts the work that many women do as housework, doesn't take into account the gender wage gap, and doesn't look at the older women who might face age and sex discrimination in the work place. In other words although the statutes might have intended to make things more fair, they wrongly assume that women are in fact equal in our society. Here are some passages from the article.

For many reasons, including the initial failure of no-fault divorce legislation to include intangible assets of a marriage -- such as pensions, degrees, professional licenses, future earning potential and business goodwill -- as property equally divisible upon divorce and the failure to recognize homemaking and childrearing as labor investments, judges and "the courts are not . . . dividing property equally or equitably." <SUP title="Click here to review the text of the footnote">39</SUP> Additionally, ostensible attempts at gender neutrality caused women to be denied alimony payments, in the expectation that they would support themselves. Consequently, Weitzman found that divorced women and their children "experience a seventy-three percent decline in their standard of living in the first year after divorce. Their former husbands, in contrast, experience a forty-two percent rise in their standard of living." <SUP title="Click here to review the text of the footnote">40</SUP>

After the advent of no-fault legislation and the implementation of equitable distribution statutes, the rationale behind alimony changed to a temporary support measure to rehabilitate and re-educate women for self-sufficiency in the labor market. <SUP title="Click here to review the text of the footnote">47</SUP> Fineman conceptualizes this theory, purportedly based on women's equality to men, as contribution-based. <SUP title="Click here to review the text of the footnote">48</SUP> A contribution-based theory posits that women and men contribute equal value to a marriage and thus should be independent of each other after divorce. This theory of alimony, however, did not address the disparities in earning potential between men and women caused by women's significantly lower salaries, less training and education compared to their male counterparts. <SUP title="Click here to review the text of the footnote">49</SUP> Furthermore, judges making such awards did not take into account the problems encountered by long-term homemakers who faced age and gender discrimination [*617] in the labor market.

 

[NFBuck]

Back to the issue at hand. Nick Lachey is a big bottle of douche, and Jesica Simpson is a stupid F*ck-rag.

 

[gregorylee]

Let me impart these words of wisdom as exampled by Ms Jessica Simpson

"You should never have sex until you are married, but after you are married you can fuck whomever you want."

Come on Jessica, Bam, and Johnny Knoxville???

jc_u...

How many guys do you know that got full custody of thier kids. The woman has to be a drug addict or alcoholic for the man to get custody and not even then sometimes. I watched my freind send his ex over $800 a month for one kid, and the kid still would show up for visitation in bobo shoes and clothes that were tattered and didn't fit. Don't feed me your bullshit.

 

[Thump]

jc_u...

How many guys do you know that got full custody of thier kids. The woman has to be a drug addict or alcoholic for the man to get custody and not even then sometimes. I watched my freind send his ex over $800 a month for one kid, and the kid still would show up for visitation in bobo shoes and clothes that were tattered and didn't fit. Don't feed me your bullshit.

[sarcasm]How can you be so insensitive to the plight of today's woman?[/sarcasm]

 

[Pheasant]

Back to the issue at hand. Nick Lachey is a big bottle of douche, and Jesica Simpson is a stupid F*ck-rag.

When this thread can be summed up so perfectly, I have to wonder why it is so damn long.
I hope I never hear another word about Nick or Jessica.

JC, you go, girlfriend. :p

 

[Thump]

JC, you go, girlfriend. :p

Ahahahahahahahah!!!!

 

[jc_ultimate]

jc_u...

How many guys do you know that got full custody of thier kids. The woman has to be a drug addict or alcoholic for the man to get custody and not even then sometimes. I watched my freind send his ex over $800 a month for one kid, and the kid still would show up for visitation in bobo shoes and clothes that were tattered and didn't fit. Don't feed me your bullshit.

Look if everyone wants to use there own personal experiences as the sole proof that marriage law only favors women then there is really no point in discussing this. I have no doubt that there are times when men either do, or appear to get the short end of the stick. I'm just trying to look at things from a bigger perspective.

As far as women getting custody in almost all cases, I think that's totally the case. Personally, I'm not a huge supporter in that outcome because it just relies on gender stereotypes to make broad assumptions about who is a better parent.

However, I think the reason it happens is actually related to the failure of our society to think gender discrimination/rights are as important as race. Gender is not viewed as a suspect class under the Supreme Court's interpretation of the Constitution. Gender is only a quasi-suspect class which allows courts to use sex as the sole basis in parental rights determination because men and women are "different." If courts were using race as the reason to decide custody clearly this would not be allowed. If Congress and the country would finally pass the Equal Rights Amendment I think you might be able to put a stop to this.

http://www.now.org/issues/economic/eratext.html

Also in repsonse to your argument this is what the article I posted early had to say,

The no-fault and equitable distribution statutes as systems of equal treatment via gender-neutral laws have produced severely unequal results and have contributed to the poverty facing many single mothers. <SUP title="Click here to review the text of the footnote">54</SUP> Women who are the primary caregivers of small children after divorce (mothers remain the primary custodial parent in about ninety percent of divorce cases) must contend with gender-neutral divorce laws that do not adequately consider their ongoing contributions as primary caregivers even when they work outside the home. Combined with judicial reluctance to force men -- especially those with second families -- to share income with their ex-spouses who are primary care-givers, temporary alimony results in the continuing impoverishment of women and children.

 

[gregorylee]

[sarcasm]How can you be so insensitive to the plight of today's woman?[/sarcasm]

Gotta keep your pimp hand strong.....


BEEEEYATCH!!!!!

 

[gregorylee]

Look if everyone wants to use there own personal experiences as the sole proof that marriage law only favors women then there is really no point in discussing this. I have no doubt that there are times when men either do, or appear to get the short end of the stick. I'm just trying to look at things from a bigger perspective.

As far as women getting custody in almost all cases, I think that's totally the case. Personally, I'm not a huge supporter in that outcome because it just relies on gender stereotypes to make broad assumptions about who is a better parent.

However, I think the reason it happens is actually related to the failure of our society to think gender discrimination/rights are as important as race. Gender is not viewed as a suspect class under the Supreme Court's interpretation of the Constitution. Gender is only a quasi-suspect class which allows courts to use sex as the sole basis in parental rights determination because men and women are "different." If courts were using race as the reason to decide custody clearly this would not be allowed. If Congress and the country would finally pass the Equal Rights Amendment I think you might be able to put a stop to this.

http://www.now.org/issues/economic/eratext.html

Also in repsonse to your argument this is what the article I posted early had to say,

It's not just my personal experience, that was just an example. I am not saying all women are like that (some are dykes).

I read your article earlier, I don't need to read it again. You sidestepped my question, do you know of any men who gained custody of their children?

I have other freinds that are stuck in shitty marraiges because they don't want to lose their kids.