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So only the man should have to pay money? Is the man the only one who benifits from being married? I don't think it is a matter of people having a problem with paying money when they shoudl ahve to. I do know a couple of divorced people who pay child support and have no problem doing so. However there are allot of cases out there of a guy having to pay money to a woman after a divorce and the kid is treated horribly by the mother. Or what about when the wife is the one that cheats? Should the ex hubby still have to pay alamony?

One thing I support is that the money goes into an account that can only be used for the actually care of the children. be it grocery, cloths, sports doctor bills etc. Not just a check that goes to the ex wife that she could use however she wants.

And as far as your little comment I have done plenty of research myself on this and can tell you that their are horror stories from both sides, of people getting screwed on both sides. Hell I was just reading an article the other day about how women have beniffitted the most from no fault divorce laws. But I am sure you wouldn't care about that since it doesn't agree with you.

When have I ever said that only men should always have to pay? Or that men are NEVER treated badly? Or that they NEVER get the short end of the stick in marriage law? If you look back at how this whole conversation started Thump said women have been cleaning out men for years, so I pointed out that I don't agree with that because of the past history of laws, and because of other ways that women face discrimination in our society currently.

I actually agree with your assessment of the Nick Lachey case, I just ignored it because you had to take a pointless jab at me before hand.

Furthermore, I actually WOULD like to read your article. I had never really thought much about divorce in particular as it relates to gender issues before this conversation started. The law review article was the first thing that came up when I searched for "divorce results." I read it and thought it had some interesting information, and had a thesis that was relevant to the discussion. I'm sure there ARE other articles/books/research out there that support your side that women are somehow reaping the benefits of divorce law, and I wouldn't mind seeing them to compare.

As far as your other questions, I haven't really thought through what types of marriage or divorce laws I would like to see carried out. However, I still stand by my position that started this whole conversation that saying that women have been cleaning out men for years is sexist and short-sighted. You yourself said that there are horror stories on both sides. I think that is all I ever wanted to point out.
 
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I think for the amount of money people pay for a divorce, the system should at least take these more on a case by case basis.

Here is my personal example, jc you tell me how this one should work out.

A close friend of mine has a wife who is a surgeon. For the first five years of their marriage he worked two jobs so she could finish med school and get started on her residency etc. While she was a resident, and her first year or so of becoming a Dr. They had two kids. At some point in time they decided he would become a stay at home dad for the two kids (this was about 10 years ago) Now she is a well established surgeon making a shitload of money, and he is a Dad who has not held a job for over 10 years. She has him by the balls. She began cheating on him about 2-3 years ago, sometimes she does not come home from work at all. She spends very little time with the kids. My friend consulted a lawyer who flat out told him he was fucked. If he decided to file he most likely would lose the custody battle, get no financial support from her, she would keep the house, or they may split it, and would have a very hard time finding a good paying job since he has not worked in over 10 years. His life is a living hell, and he only good thing he has is his kids. The wife knows she has him by the balls and does not give a shit.

So ask yourself what is so different about this situation if the roles were reversed. She would walk away with the house, at least half the money, and the kids. Is he not entitled to anything just because he is a man? He raised those kids on his own, sacrificed his career for them and his wife, and now he is forced to sacrifice his happiness and dignity in order to stay with them.
 
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jc- you're 24 years old man. Wait until you have experienced life a little. Then, make an opinion of your own...instead of one off the internet articles. What we are saying is from personal experience.

Nobody is trying to run you down for your opinion. We are just trying to get you to stop ovulating.:)


I understand that peoples experiences shape their thoughts and views on subjects, but if that is all anyone ever did I think the world would be in a bit of trouble.

I've never experienced racial profiling before, but I've read some interesting studies showing that it does indeed happen. You might think this is a poor analogy because I'm not black and so I can't experience racial profiling... but I also haven't been divorced before so it's hard for me to have any personal experience in that matter either. Also this isn't some personal blog, or even a news story. It's from the Boston College Law Review, and uses a number of different studies and books throughout the article. Maybe this isn't impressive at all to you, but it sounds like you are dismissing it too quickly because I pulled it off the internet.

I was being a little confrontational, but I think that when people actually respond to me with well thought out posts I try my best to respond with the same.
 
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jc- you're 24 years old man. Wait until you have experienced life a little. Then, make an opinion of your own...instead of one off the internet articles. What we are saying is from personal experience.

Exactly. Real life has a way of making you say "Who is this stupid fuck that wrote that article? What planet are they living on?"...Sorry, but my experience also does not fit with this "oppressed" woman idea. My friends are at about a 60% divorce rate right now. Some of them got "fucked" over. Others had a pretty equitable split. Not one divorce I've seen ever "fucked" her over. So, while every divorce may not be a gold mine for the woman, some most definitely are. I have never, ever seen a man hit the gold mine...And as was said by someone earlier, most of men's grievances will have to do with custody, not money, because shockingly, most men are not heartless dead beats for Christ's sake...In fact, most men would kill you if you looked at their kids wrong. I know, not the popular idea. Men are supposed to all be irresponsible dumbasses, like they are portrayed on every TV sitcom...

jc, you are welcome to have any opinion you want. I wouldn't base them on that particular article though. These "gender gap" studies have mostly been proven fraudulent...Just one example for discussion is the contention that women don't have equal access to education...Total bullshit...There is a growing majority of women on every college campus of consequence in this country. Men are an ever shrinking minority on campus...Those are numbers that are hard to manipulate, just count them. The reality doesn't support the "access to education" arguements. They are "accessing" at a much higher rate than men...This ain't the '60's and '70's anymore bro...Don't let those decades old retreads form your opinion for you. They have not managed to move themselves beyond 1975...Secondly, wage discrepancies have so many factors involved that just staring at numbers doesn't tell you the whole story...A women who takes off 3 or 4 years from the workforce to raise a baby, of course is going to make less. Women also tend to work less hours, want much more flexibility in their schedules etc, etc. and will take lower paying jobs to get these other benefits...You will likely want to say "this is because they are forced to because of family obligations"...But there is no consideration that maybe they want to take care of these family obligations and they are making a choice to do so? And in fact find that to be very fulfilling? Am I a sexist to say that most women's aspirations include having a child? If I were to be accused of that I would have to ask; Do you know any women for Christ's sake? A stay at home mom is ridiculed by your feminist friends, jc. Do you only speak for the women who choose work over family? Their choice isn't a "legitimate" one to most feminists...Your opinion is based on faulty information, period. I have researched this stuff as well. I can find a study that says anything I want it to. Real life tells me the truth though...And I know that women do not make less than I make for the same job. And they have never made less in any job I've ever held. Women I know have also tended to turn down promotions because they do not want the added responsibility and time obligations...I also know that many women do what they can to get more time off to do what they feel is a more important job; raise their children. Not because they hate it, but because they love it...These real life facts are not represented in your article. Does that mean I've just happened to run into the only women in America who feel this way? I guess it's possible, but not very likely...
 
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And as an aside:

I find it amusing that we could go over to an evolution discussion and hear how "We are just another animal...We are no different." Then we come over to a discussion like this and it is nothing for the same exact people to flip every gender role upside down...I guess we are just another animal, but we do not have any of the same instincts (or "wants, needs and aspirations" if you happen to be bipedal) as the rest of the animal kingdom...If we are descended from monkeys and apes (whose mothers never part from their young offspring BTW), tell me why it is "wrong" to suggest the genders of our own species are not so different from those with which we have descended? Please tell me, I do so enjoy the mental gymnastics required to reconcile these two irreconcilable positions...:wink2:
 
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