Doesn't mean you should overpay for this so-called "success"
If Ferentz was getting paid under $2mil, I don't think many people outside Iowa would care.
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Doesn't mean you should overpay for this so-called "success"
If Ferentz was getting paid under $2mil, I don't think many people outside Iowa would care.
Take out Kirk's 15 wins versus MAC teams....
Then take out his 9 wins against FCS teams....
Then take out his 3 wins against miscellaneous cupcakes Florida International, Arkansas State, and Louisiana-Monroe....
And you are left with a record of 88-85 against real competition (I'm not taking out his 3 losses to MAC teams, by the way). That's a winning percentage of just .509
Coaches nowadays all benefit from scheduling cupcakes (Woody never played a MAC team, and his only cupcake was Penn in 1953), but the best coaches still win 75% of their games against real competition. Not Ferentz. Not even close.
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Nobody said you should ?
Why should I refrain from mocking them for squandering their assets ?
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Wait a minute, can this be true?
You guys are telling me that Ferentz has a 115-85 record for a .575 win percentage,
Urban at tOSU is 37-3 for a 92.5% win percentage.
Tressel at tOSU was 94-22 for 81% win percentage.
altogether Meyer and Tressel have 16 more wins and 60 fewer losses, but...
Ferentz has received 3 Big 10 coach of the year awards, Meyer and Tressel combined have none?
You guys are telling me that Ferentz has a 115-85 record for a .575 win percentage,
Urban at tOSU is 37-3 for a 92.5% win percentage.
Tressel at tOSU was 94-22 for 81% win percentage.
altogether Meyer and Tressel have 16 more wins and 60 fewer losses, but...
Ferentz has received 3 Big 10 coach of the year awards, Meyer and Tressel combined have none?
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cincibuck
You kids stay off my lawn!
Woody played - and lost to - TCU, SMU - tied TCU in 1961, the only negative on a perfect season. Ohio State plays MAC teams and YSU and Florida A&M. But that's not the point. The point is that Ferentz has exceeded the program's overall success rate and compares favorably with the rest of their coaches except Forrest Evashevski. The other successful coach at Iowa was Homer Jones who left to become one of the winningest coaches at USC.
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Jagdaddy
Head Coach
Watch them play. Zero creativity or adaptability. I'll give credit for some toughness. Yeah, it would be ridiculous to hold him to the sames standards as Urban or Tressel when he's coaching at Iowa, but they're paying him a fortune and could get similar and possibly better results at half the price. Asking for a .625-.650 winning percentage when you play four games every year against ISU (who he somehow has a losing record against) and three cupcakes doesn't seem unreasonable.
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Um, no he hasn't, not in any real sense of the term. He has only "exceeded the program's overall success rate" by playing substandard competition. Against "real competition" - i.e the Big Ten and other Power5 teams - he has a .500 record which, as noted above, is far worse than Hayden Fry; and as you yourself pointed out, is also far worse than Forrest Evashevski. He is a mediocre coach with a mediocre record.
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cincibuck
You kids stay off my lawn!
We're going in circles here. If you look at what other coaches achieved at Iowa he's the fourth best coach in school history. If you want to look at the record and lay it all off to playing cupcakes, OK - but let's not kid ourselves, there isn't a top ten program that doesn't have at least three of those on their schedule each year - and add in Indiana, Wake Forest, Vandy, Kansas, Wazoo to make it four. He's .200 better than three of the four between Evashevski and Fry.
I'm pretty sure that if I go back and look at the schedules for Iowa before Fry and Evie I'll find Drake, Great Lakes Naval Training, Parsons... Just as you'll find Oberlin, Wittenberg, Ft Knox and Western Reserve on Ohio State's.
So how did he get voted COY? I don't know, but my guess is that most of the voters had an attitude that winning at OSU or Michigan was significantly easier than at Iowa. You'd have to ask them. Is he over paid? Name a coach that isn't. But that's up to the school to decide and right now Iowa seems OK WITH HIM.
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I don't think Iowa is too pleased with him, but they entered a ludicrous contract. They can keep paying him exorbitant amounts of money - including regularly scheduled raises - or they can fire him and eat a huge buyout and continue to pay him millions.
It's a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" situation at this point - and that's why it's easy material to laugh at.
It's a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" situation at this point - and that's why it's easy material to laugh at.
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I know that you like to be the board contrarian / patron saint of lost causes, but going back to the 1920's to prove your point about cupcakes is a bit ludicrous even by your own standards. By the way, Oberlin is the last Ohio school to beat Ohio State (1921).
Great Lakes Naval Training finished #17 in the 1944 poll with a 9-2-1 record (one of their losses was to Ohio State). Their head coach? None other than the legendary Paul Brown. And one other thing: Iowa's all-time record against Great Lakes Naval Training is 0-4. Maybe Iowa was the cupcake in that epic rivalry.
Iowa played Parsons once, in 1895. Were there even cupcakes back in 1895?
As far as Iowa being OK WITH HIM, that in a nutshell is the entire problem with the Big Ten as a football conference - acceptance of mediocrity. Iowa is a middle-of-the-road program with their fourth best coach in school history. That doesn't seem to be the best way to compete with Ohio State, Michigan, and Michigan State, all of whom have top coaches. But if Iowa's OK WITH HIM, then so much the better for the rest of the Big Ten. We need our conference cupcakes, too.
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As much as I loathe Bret Bielema, he is an Iowa alum and Iowa is clearly willing to spend the money Barry Alvarez wouldn't. The ridiculous Ferentz contract that Iowa can't afford to buyout could very likely cost them a shot at bringing Bret home and dominating a declining West division that's ripe for the pickens. The window is open for them.
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cincibuck
You kids stay off my lawn!
Let me see if I've got this straight: because I disagree with you, I'm the board contrarian. If what you seek is an echo chamber, fine.
BTW, I did go all the way back to the 20s because it makes the point that ALL "big" schools have feasted on "smaller" schools throughout the history of football.
I also pointed out that in recent seasons Tressel and Meyer have had the benefit of playing against MAC and FCS schools to pad their records. Its part of the same pattern that held true throughout the history of college football.
Nowhere do I make the claim that Ferentz is a better coach than Tressel or Meyer, nor would I.
Is he mediocre? All I'm suggesting is that Iowa has a long history of being a .500 program. You have to measure Ferentz by that standard.
I have no idea why he was voted those COY awards. My best guess is that is that the voters believed that - given the situations at Iowa and Ohio State - it was significantly more difficult to win at Iowa. I don't think that's an absurd point of view.
As for why he remains - again, Iowa is not Ohio State, or Michigan, or Texas. Making coaching changes is the point at which resources kick in. 70K stadium vs 107K stadium, alum support, program history and perception to outsiders, all the things that point to the significant difference between the two schools fall in Ohio State's favor and work against long term success at Iowa. I don't see Franklin leaving Vandy for Iowa. I don't see Iowa able to offer Harbaugh a six year deal. Maybe that's why he was given his extension.
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