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John Wayne...aka The Duke

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Best Buckeye;851005; said:
who knows his real name without looking???? anyone ? :!
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Was it Francis Marion or Marion Francis?

In Harm's Way is my favorite JW movie

The Shootist
The Cowboys
& there was a movie were he was an American detective in England (can't) remember the name of the movie)...
 
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Oh8ch;851016; said:
He made over half of his 171 films prior to 1940.

Try again Tibor-wannabe.


Rio Bravo was my fav.
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Be that as it may his rise to stardom came when he filled the void left by Douglas Fairbanks, Gene Autry, Henry Fonda, Clark Gable, Tyrone Powers and the rest of the A listers who left to serve.

Other than Stagecoach named one of his pre 1940 films that is listed when people talk about his film legacy.

I'll take High Noon over Rio Bravo any day.
 
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Other than Stagecoach named one of his pre 1940 films that was memorable.
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How about his early singing cowboy stuff? I have those tracks on CD and never take them out of my player.


But I am still trying to reconcile the proposed designation as a draft dodger with Barry Goldwater pushing through the John Wayne Medal of honor back in 1979. I wont pretend to know the details or motives behind why he did not serve and I wont challenge that he benefited from the void of others being gone. But the Duke did much throughout his life to support the troops and the nation. He is certainly more of a "war hero" than we have had in the Oval Office for 14 years or so. Draft Dodger is way over the line.
 
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Draft Dodger is way over the line.
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I don't disagree but I do know that many of the WWII vets I know from the VFW are not very complimentary of Mr. Morrisson.

Either way someone who hasn't served themselves who is critical of John Wayne on those grounds definitely needs to shut the hell up and worry about their own business.
 
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Muck;851048; said:
I don't disagree but I do know that many of the WWII vets I know from the VFW are not very complimentary of Mr. Morrisson.

Either way someone who hasn't served themselves who is critical of John Wayne on those grounds definitely needs to shut the hell up and worry about their own business.
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Yeah. Might there be a slight difference between joining the volunteer army in the 70s and 80s peacetime and the universal draft after Hitler declared War on us after Pearl Harbor was bombed by Japan?

Man. Your fuzzy John Wayne hand puppet means a lot to you...:biggrin:
 
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Muck;851383; said:
If you haven't served then you lose the moral high ground to criticize the service (or lack thereof) of others, whether it's John Wayne, President Bush's National Guard duty or John Kerry's Vietnam record.

*shrug*
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Respectfully disagree Muck. Like opinions on the judicial system or the medical system, you don't have to be an attorney or a physician to have one. Saying the OJ trial was a joke is not an opinion restricted to lawyers, and commenting about Duke's decision to seek multiple deferments in WWII is not reserved to the former or current military. If anything, it would be reserved to those who fought WWII. No military action in the last sixty years approaches that conflict's threat to our country's very existence, and while I respect someone who decided to - say - join the coastguard during the mid 80s, i don't grant them greater moral right to comment on an actor's deferments in the early 1940s...
 
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While I think that most Duke movies are crap, there are a few that stand out. The Shootist is a top notch movie by any standard, as is The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance.

My personal favorite is Big Jake. It's just a pure old-fashioned, fun Western.

Whatever Wayne's situation in WWII, I'm sure that if there was any evidence of him actively trying to avoid service, it would have come out a long time ago. Although, my grandfather (101st Airborne) and my grandmother's brothers (both combat Marines in the Pacific--sent 'em to the Pacific because they were Sicilian-American) were most definately NOT big fans.

As an aside, there is an interesting story that I once read of Wayne almost getting his ass kicked by Sinatra one evening in the late 50s. Maybe Wayne truly was scared of Frank, or maybe he just didn't want to float up under the Santa Monica Pier with a meathook up his ass the following week. Either way, he backed down from going toe-to-toe with Sinatra.
 
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Gatorubet;851565; said:
Respectfully disagree Muck.
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As someone who has served with and buried friends in Kuwait, Somalia, Bosnia & Iraq you'll have to excuse me if for giving two squats what some non-hacking couch humper thinks. I have little time for armchair quarterbacks of any stripe.

If you'd actually bothered to read the thread you'll notice that I'm not exactly a huge defender of Mr. Morrison. That being said even as a civilian he did more in support of this nation than you are likely to...whether it was the result of a troubled conscience I don't know nor do I really care. He was the one who had to live with the consequences of his actions (as do we all). People spend too much time worrying about what other's have accomplished when they should be more worried about their own contribution (or lack thereof) to the world.

Brigadier General James Maitland Stewart said:
John Wayne was probably the biggest star in the world, yet he retained the qualities of a small boy. He had the enthusiasm for life that would make a high school football star envious. And through it all, Duke never changed. As a man he was exactly the boy he started out. And as a friend ... well, you just wouldn't want a better one. In his lifetime, Duke stamped AMERICA across the face of the motion picture industry. Few other men, living or dead, have ever portrayed the fine, decent, and generous American qualities as Duke did. He portrayed on screen the values he lived off screen. Gentle - so much so, it would have surprised his critics. Loyal - once your friend, always your friend. Courageous - if you doubt it, remember his fight against cancer, or the way he faced heart surgery. And decent. Above all, Duke was a decent man. He was also far from perfect. He made his mistakes as I have made mine and you have made yours. All in all, I would say they were unintentional. Mistakes of the heart, I would say. Let me say this about the John Wayne I knew. He was an original. He was the statue of his times. All in all, I think it was the man's integrity that speaks most of him. His principles never varied. Nor did his ideals. Nor did his faith in mankind."
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