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Jim Tressel (National Champion, ex-President, Youngstown State University, CFB HOF)

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BuckeyeNation27;1916602; said:
I'm kinda pissed they went with the Hayes-Schembechler name for the COY. If Ferentz was doing more with less back then, those 2 schmucks wouldn't even be recognizable names for most people.
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They should have included JoePa's name in there somewhere, considering the 40 odd years he's been dominating the B10.
 
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Bill Lucas;1916545; said:
Iowa has 42 players listed on NFL rosters currently. That's more than Florida and is solidly in the top 10. It may have been created by an Iowa website but the numbers don't lie.
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Of course numbers can lie. See the use of bad statistics everywhere.

There is no doubt in my mind that tOSU is among the best in the nation in preparing its kids for the pros. I'm not suggesting that is not true. But the suppositions used and methodology employed in a study can always skew the data, and therefore conclusions, any number of ways.
 
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Gatorubet;1916966; said:
Of course numbers can lie. See the use of bad statistics everywhere.

There is no doubt in my mind that tOSU is among the best in the nation in preparing its kids for the pros. I'm not suggesting that is not true. But the suppositions used and methodology employed in a study can always skew the data, and therefore conclusions, any number of ways.
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so if an SEC school did the study they could not count players that lost scholly's due to oversigning against their ratio :biggrin:
 
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Gatorubet;1916966; said:
Of course numbers can lie. See the use of bad statistics everywhere.

There is no doubt in my mind that tOSU is among the best in the nation in preparing its kids for the pros. I'm not suggesting that is not true. But the suppositions used and methodology employed in a study can always skew the data, and therefore conclusions, any number of ways.
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Would you argue Iowa brings in better talent than UF? Didn't think so. So...considering Iowa has more players on NFL rosters than UF, it would be safe to assume that either Iowa is better at evaluating talent, or that Iowa is better at developing talent. If you disagree, then show me how THESE statistics are lying. Please. Thank you.
 
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Tlangs;1916971; said:
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so if an SEC school did the study they could not count players that lost scholly's due to oversigning against their ratio :biggrin:
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Exactly. :biggrin: Nah, I mean you can look at numbers to support all types of conclusions. The Big 10 could (and did) read the numbers of the recent draft to support a statement "Big-10 among three conferences to have have six first round draft picks." Which is true. The SEC could have had a banner saying "SEC has 40% more first round picks than Big-10". Which is also true; we had 10 to your 6. You could have said "Big-10 has 50% more NFL picks in prestigious second round NFL draft!" That is true, as we had only 2, and you had twice as many, with 4. We could have said "SEC excels with 38 draft picks to 29 for Big-10 - the Conference with the best record of supplying kids to the Pros in recent Iowa Study". :biggrin: But really, adding up the seventh round kids to make a statement about superiority???

How many kids you put in round seven does not mean that much to me as a stat, as that is hardly better than a free agent and just about as likely to ensure a place on a roster. If a study included all picks - including late rounds - instead of say the first three rounds - it may deliver a completely different conclusion. If you look at who sticks with a roster after the draft, the numbers could be different as well. "Prepares for the pros" could be seen as drafted, drafted in first day rounds (due to greater likelihood of making the team), or it could be making the roster.

None of that says that tOSU is not really, really good at player development. But the greater conclusions about wins to draft ratio could, for example, favor a team with multiple late round picks over a team with less picks but more early rounders - or more roster making picks. Or favor a team in a weaker conference with "X" picks over a team with the same number of draft picks in a stronger conference, as the second team would have less wins. Just sayin'. Numbers. You can play with them.

Alabama being so far down stuck me as odd, that's all.
 
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BUCKYLE;1916972; said:
Would you argue Iowa brings in better talent than UF? Didn't think so. So...considering Iowa has more players on NFL rosters than UF, it would be safe to assume that either Iowa is better at evaluating talent, or that Iowa is better at developing talent. If you disagree, then show me how THESE statistics are lying. Please. Thank you.
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I'm not discounting the great job Iowa does either. Not saying it is all bull[Mark May] at all, just that you have to take the methodology with a grain of salt.

Edit: I agree with you about Iowa Kyle. I was more talking about the study.
 
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Bill Lucas;1916545; said:
Iowa has 42 players listed on NFL rosters currently. That's more than Florida and is solidly in the top 10. It may have been created by an Iowa website but the numbers don't lie.
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Prolly picked the wrong quote to delve into the methodology thing. Iowa does a hell of a job preparing NFL talent, and the number of guys on an NFL roster does speak for itself. That stat is pretty convincing, and my comments on the Iowa study notwithstanding, I was not trying to say anything about the stat of the numbers of Iowa guys in the NFL.

My bad using that quote as a jump off to my comments on the study Steve brought up.

Back to the topic: Jim Tressel is excellent at developing talent, and that is a huge factor in arguing for his retention after the NCAA action is over, no matter what the results.
 
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Gatorubet;1916978; said:
Exactly. :biggrin: Nah, I mean you can look at numbers to support all types of conclusions. The Big 10 could (and did) read the numbers of the recent draft to support a statement "Big-10 among three conferences to have have six first round draft picks." Which is true. The SEC could have had a banner saying "SEC has 40% more first round picks than Big-10". Which is also true; we had 10 to your 6.
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That's fine, you're not counting Amukamara since Nebraska wasn't in the Big Ten when he played.

But you suck at stats. Although 6 is 40% less than 10, 10 is 66.7% more than 6.
 
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