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Actually, JT has the potential to be the greatest college football coach ever, not just at Ohio State:
JT is 51 years old, and already has a record of 49-13 with 1 NC at Ohio State, plus a record of 135-57-2 with 4 NC's at Youngstown State. Thus, his overall totals are 184-70-2, for a winning percentage is .723.
To project in the future:
If JT coaches 20 more years at Ohio State (20 years x 13 games/year = 260 games):
If JT coaches 25 more years at Ohio State (25 years x 13 games/year = 325 games):
Of course, the measure of a great coach is championships, and JT already has 5 NC's his credit. However, only one of those is at the D-1A level. Regardless of gaudy winning percentages, JT will still have to bring home some trophies before he can be considered truly the greatest of the great. In 20-25 years, he should be able to win at least two more NC's, bringing his total to 7 (3 at D-1A; 4 at D-1AA).
Of course, the above figures assume that JT will coach well into his 70's, which is not always the case with legendary head coaches (see below). If JT has another 10 excellent seasons at Ohio State (complete with a couple of more NC rings), then he might just retire. In that case, he'd still be an OSU and national coaching legend, but it would be difficult to proclaim him the best ever. If he goes the route of Paterno and Bowden, then the sky's the limit....
Even if he would accomplish something similar to the above, the arguments against JT being the greatest coach ever would be: (a) that a significant portion of his wins and NC's came at the 1-AA level; and (b) that JT coached in an era when teams had 3 or 4 non-conference opponents (usually easy wins) and many more bowl games to "pad" the stats. Of course, JT could counter those arguments by winning another 4 or 5 NC's at Ohio State.
To compare the above projections to some other notable head coaches' career totals:
Woody Hayes: 238-72-10 (.759) and 4 NC's in 34 seasons; coached to age 65.
Bear Bryant: 323-85-17 (.780) and 5 NC's in 38 seasons; coached to age 68.
Joe Paterno: 353-117-3 (.749) and 2 NC's in 40 season; still coaching at age 79.
Bobby Bowden: 358-105-4 (.771) and 2 NC's in 40 seasons; still coaching at age 76.
Bo Schembechler: 234-65-8 (.775) and 0 NC's in 27 seasons; coached to age 60.
Eddie Robinson: 408-165-15 (.707) in 55 seasons; coached to age 76.
Tom Osborne: 255-49-3 (.836) and 3 NC's in 25 seasons; coached to age 60.
Lavell Edwards: 257-101-3 (.716) and 1 NC in 29 seasons; coached to age 70.
Lou Holtz: 249-132-7 (.651) and 1 NC in 33 seasons; coached to age 67.
Ara Parseghian: 170-58-6 (.739) and 2 NC's in 24 seasons; coached to age 51.
Darrell Royal: 184-60-5 (.749) and 3 NC's in 23 seasons; coached to age 52.
Barry Switzer: 157-29-4 (.837) and 3 NC's in 16 seasons; coached to age 60 (including tenure with Dallas Cowboys)
Bud Wilkinson: 145-29-4 (.826) and 3 NC's in 17 seasons; coached to age 63 (including tenure with St. Louis Cardinals)
JT is 51 years old, and already has a record of 49-13 with 1 NC at Ohio State, plus a record of 135-57-2 with 4 NC's at Youngstown State. Thus, his overall totals are 184-70-2, for a winning percentage is .723.
To project in the future:
If JT coaches 20 more years at Ohio State (20 years x 13 games/year = 260 games):
At JT's current overall winning pct (.723):
188 wins, 72 losses; career stats: 372-142-2, .723 winning pct
At winning pct of .750:
195 wins, 65 losses; career stats: 379-135-2, .736 winning pct
At Woody's OSU winning pct (.761):
198 wins, 62 losses; career stats: 382-132-2, .742 winning pct
At JT's current OSU winning pct (.790):
205 wins, 55 losses; career stats: 389-125-2, .756 winning pct
188 wins, 72 losses; career stats: 372-142-2, .723 winning pct
At winning pct of .750:
195 wins, 65 losses; career stats: 379-135-2, .736 winning pct
At Woody's OSU winning pct (.761):
198 wins, 62 losses; career stats: 382-132-2, .742 winning pct
At JT's current OSU winning pct (.790):
205 wins, 55 losses; career stats: 389-125-2, .756 winning pct
If JT coaches 25 more years at Ohio State (25 years x 13 games/year = 325 games):
At JT's current overall winning pct (.723):
235 wins, 90 losses; career stats: 419-160-2, .723 winning pct
At winning pct of .750:
244 wins, 81 losses; career stats: 428-151-2, .738 winning pct
At Woody's OSU winning pct (.761):
247 wins, 78 losses; career stats: 431-148-2, .744 winning pct
At JT's current OSU winning pct (.790):
257 wins, 68 losses; career stats: 441-138-2, .761 winning pct
235 wins, 90 losses; career stats: 419-160-2, .723 winning pct
At winning pct of .750:
244 wins, 81 losses; career stats: 428-151-2, .738 winning pct
At Woody's OSU winning pct (.761):
247 wins, 78 losses; career stats: 431-148-2, .744 winning pct
At JT's current OSU winning pct (.790):
257 wins, 68 losses; career stats: 441-138-2, .761 winning pct
Of course, the measure of a great coach is championships, and JT already has 5 NC's his credit. However, only one of those is at the D-1A level. Regardless of gaudy winning percentages, JT will still have to bring home some trophies before he can be considered truly the greatest of the great. In 20-25 years, he should be able to win at least two more NC's, bringing his total to 7 (3 at D-1A; 4 at D-1AA).
Of course, the above figures assume that JT will coach well into his 70's, which is not always the case with legendary head coaches (see below). If JT has another 10 excellent seasons at Ohio State (complete with a couple of more NC rings), then he might just retire. In that case, he'd still be an OSU and national coaching legend, but it would be difficult to proclaim him the best ever. If he goes the route of Paterno and Bowden, then the sky's the limit....
Even if he would accomplish something similar to the above, the arguments against JT being the greatest coach ever would be: (a) that a significant portion of his wins and NC's came at the 1-AA level; and (b) that JT coached in an era when teams had 3 or 4 non-conference opponents (usually easy wins) and many more bowl games to "pad" the stats. Of course, JT could counter those arguments by winning another 4 or 5 NC's at Ohio State.
To compare the above projections to some other notable head coaches' career totals:
Woody Hayes: 238-72-10 (.759) and 4 NC's in 34 seasons; coached to age 65.
Bear Bryant: 323-85-17 (.780) and 5 NC's in 38 seasons; coached to age 68.
Joe Paterno: 353-117-3 (.749) and 2 NC's in 40 season; still coaching at age 79.
Bobby Bowden: 358-105-4 (.771) and 2 NC's in 40 seasons; still coaching at age 76.
Bo Schembechler: 234-65-8 (.775) and 0 NC's in 27 seasons; coached to age 60.
Eddie Robinson: 408-165-15 (.707) in 55 seasons; coached to age 76.
Tom Osborne: 255-49-3 (.836) and 3 NC's in 25 seasons; coached to age 60.
Lavell Edwards: 257-101-3 (.716) and 1 NC in 29 seasons; coached to age 70.
Lou Holtz: 249-132-7 (.651) and 1 NC in 33 seasons; coached to age 67.
Ara Parseghian: 170-58-6 (.739) and 2 NC's in 24 seasons; coached to age 51.
Darrell Royal: 184-60-5 (.749) and 3 NC's in 23 seasons; coached to age 52.
Barry Switzer: 157-29-4 (.837) and 3 NC's in 16 seasons; coached to age 60 (including tenure with Dallas Cowboys)
Bud Wilkinson: 145-29-4 (.826) and 3 NC's in 17 seasons; coached to age 63 (including tenure with St. Louis Cardinals)
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Forget everything else. If JT actually went 20-5 versus Michigan over the next 25 years, running his career record against Michigan to 24-6, well then everyone else can think whatever the hell they want to ... I'll know who the greatest coach of all time is.
JT would have singlehandedly moved the rivalry record from 39-57-6 to a more respectable 59-62-6.
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cincibuckeyenut
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I think if Tressel somehow pulls off one or maybe two NCs, he goes down as one of the best ever. Winning % will be high enough, given he is at OSU, to not really matter much to this discussion. Get that 2nd championship and he has the same number as Bowden and Paterno.
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OH10
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Not to bring down the mood on this thread, bu we would do well to remember a coach(who shall remain nameless) out at USC who is on pace to win his 3rd National Title in a row, and has his team on a ridiculous winning streak. Not to mention a stocked cupboard.
I'm full-on-board the Tressel bandwagon, but he's not the only coach right now making major waves over his first 5 years in a program.
I'm full-on-board the Tressel bandwagon, but he's not the only coach right now making major waves over his first 5 years in a program.
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USC has won two NC's in a row?
When did that happen and why does LSU claim the BCS title in 2003 if USC won it?
When did that happen and why does LSU claim the BCS title in 2003 if USC won it?
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We'll see how Petey does against his first decent competition in a bowl game this january.
stoops is doing quite well thus far too. that doesn't mean JT is not also doing a great job.
One thing that gives an edge to Tress: he's never going pro.
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Pete Carroll doesn't have four national titles at I-AA, and five total, either...and all of Tressel's titles are consensus (no split titles). He also doesn't have a rival at near the level we do with Michigan. Remember the last team that was on a ridiclulous winning streak...they're now only a good-to-excellent team (thanks in part to our beating them in the NC game).
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There are a lot of "great" college coaches who simply don't have the years of service to be considered the best ever - Oklahoma's Bud Wilkinson and Barry Switzer (whose stats are set forth above); Southern Cal's John McKay (127-40-8; .749; 4 NC's in 16 years); Tennessee's Bob Neyland (173-31-12; .829; 3 NC's in 21 years); Nebraska's Bob Devaney (136-30-7; .806; 2 NC's in 16 years); Notre Dame's Knute Rockne (105-12-5; .881; 3 NC's in 13 years); Michigan State's Clarence "Biggie" Munn (58-14-2; .797; 2 NC's in 8 years); and Ohio State's own Paul Brown (18-8-1; .685; 1 NC in 3 years).
Southern Cal's Pete Carroll is 53-9 for a winning pct of .855 and 1-1/2 NC's in only 4+ years - certainly outstanding numbers, but PC will need to do it (or something at least close) for another two decades minimum before he can be considered the greatest head coach ever.
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The thread title is JT's place in OSU history. Last time I checked pete carrol didn't ever coach at OSU nor would I want him to.
WWH was obviously the greatest coach in OSU history, the first 5 years of our current coaches tenure have produced superior results than the first 5 years of WWH's tenure. Most people would find cause for celebration in that fact, a small minority would find a way to work a rim job for Carrol into it.
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sandgk
Watson, Crick & A Twist
Not that it really matters to the thread topic, but last time I checked Pete C DID once coach at The Ohio State University.
You knew he had to make his bones somewhere good right?
From his official bio ...
:osu:
Anyway - back on topic - I am so happy that we have Jim running the show in Columbus and the heights he can go to will likely be unassailable by any other coach of the 21st Century era of College Football.
He is one of the very few Head Coaches who stands a better than theoretical chance of doing ALL the good things outlined in this thread. Most important of which, and as I said above one of the more remarkable of which would be for Jim Tressel to have a very long tenure as the Buckeyes Head Coach. I want him to be, and indeed he could be, the only current Head Coach who will log over 20+ years this Century at one school.
He does that and so many of those optimistic predictions and lofty aspirations we are foisting on him just may come true. And that, my friends, would be a wonderful and beautiful thing.
:osu:
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sandgk
Watson, Crick & A Twist
You are young, so Im not going to call it a stupid question.
There really was a St. Louis Cardinals NFL team, which was prior to its tenure in St. Louis known as the Chicago Cardinals and is now known as the Arizona Cardinals.
They have for oh these many years been owned by a certain demon spawn family with little real interest in promoting the health and welfare of the team.
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Thank you for officially making me feel old.....either that or you need to read a history of sports book!
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