Jim Tressel (National Champion, ex-President, Youngstown State University, CFB HOF)

[SEREbuckeye]

This Tressel should had never been hired! What was he doing before OSU, coaching a D1AA school?!









(Obvious sarcasm)

 

[Nick71]

The Stats Do Not Lie

Rankings in Total Offense, Scoring Offense, and Recruiting Classes.

Year, Total Offense, Scoring Offense, Recruiting Class

2001 65, 67, **
2002 70, 41, 05
2003 93, 74, 41
2004 98, 71, 09
2005 32, 26, 12
2006 26, 08, 12
2007 62, 41, 15
2008 76, 45, 04
2009 thru Oct 18th 91, 57, 03

Average 68, 48, 13
Not including 2005 & 2006 79, 57, **

Jim Tressel is a class act and a great mentor. However, he is is not a good offensive coach. He is not even an average offensive coach. The numbers do not lie. The main reason Ohio State has won so many games is they consistently put good defensive teams on the field year in and year out. Special teams have always been pretty good too.

 

[leroyjenkins]

Rankings in Total Offense, Scoring Offense, and Recruiting Classes.

Year, Total Offense, Scoring Offense, Recruiting Class

2001 65, 67, **
2002 70, 41, 05
2003 93, 74, 41
2004 98, 71, 09
2005 32, 26, 12
2006 26, 08, 12
2007 62, 41, 15
2008 76, 45, 04
2009 thru Oct 18th 91, 57, 03

Average 68, 48, 13
Not including 2005 & 2006 79, 57, **

Jim Tressel is a class act and a great mentor. However, he is is not a good offensive coach. He is not even an average offensive coach. The numbers do not lie. The main reason Ohio State has won so many games is they consistently put good defensive teams on the field year in and year out. Special teams have always been pretty good too.

Correct. Things that Tressel does not get enough credit for, and are often overlooked.

 

[muffler dragon]

Jim Tressel is a class act and a great mentor. However, he is is not a good offensive coach. He is not even an average offensive coach. The numbers do not lie. The main reason Ohio State has won so many games is they consistently put good defensive teams on the field year in and year out. Special teams have always been pretty good too.

I'm not certain that you're using the proper data to build your case. Obviously, the offense has been adequate enough that a greater than 80% winning percentage has been achieved. Furthermore, what is your gradient for average? < 60 out of 120 teams in FBS? Or something else? The reason I ask is that using the offensive ratings out of 120 teams does not help with determining what's average or not.

 

[3074326]

It would be cool to see a list of stats for the top 40ish programs in the nation. I know a list of the top 40 would be hard to make, especially with the accumulation of stats. I think it'd give us a good gauge of where programs are as far as offense/defense go.

It's hard to say what an average offense is right now, half maybe because there are so many teams. But I don't think we have one this year.

 

[osugrad21]

Rankings in Total Offense, Scoring Offense, and Recruiting Classes.

Year, Total Offense, Scoring Offense, Recruiting Class

2001 65, 67, **
2002 70, 41, 05
2003 93, 74, 41
2004 98, 71, 09
2005 32, 26, 12
2006 26, 08, 12
2007 62, 41, 15
2008 76, 45, 04
2009 thru Oct 18th 91, 57, 03

Average 68, 48, 13
Not including 2005 & 2006 79, 57, **

Jim Tressel is a class act and a great mentor. However, he is is not a good offensive coach. He is not even an average offensive coach. The numbers do not lie. The main reason Ohio State has won so many games is they consistently put good defensive teams on the field year in and year out. Special teams have always been pretty good too.

You really registered on this site to simply post that?

Total yards ranking?

Hopefully JT just does create-a-player and wins 4 Heismans.

 

[BUCKYLE]

Wow...your abilty to spin and sprinkle with bs has reached a new level.

I just think it's funny that we can't expect the defense to clean up the offense's mess every game, but yet we should expect the offense to be bad ass. It's an obvious flaw in logic.

 

[scooter1369]

I just think it's funny that we can't expect the defense to clean up the offense's mess every game, but yet we should expect the offense to be bad ass. It's an obvious flaw in logic.

I'd settle for adequate now.

 

[kippy1040]

No problem, I didn't lose any sleep over it.

Yes, I was getting on Tress, whether you or someone else felt it was a bit much, well then ok, that's you're opinion. I respect yours and I hope you'll understand mine. I agree with you that [censored] does happen, obviously teams lose, and that is very much a part of college football. I don't expect Coach Tressel to win every single game, but I do expect him to win this game versus Purdue. To be quite honest, I'm most upset because it wasn't even a close game. Had OSU not shot themselves in the foot 5 times, and they were just flat getting beat by a highly motivated team, I can easily take that to the bank. I just can't understand how poorly they played and how equally as poorly the coaching staff didn't prepare or adjust during the game. Everyone has bad days, Saturday was one of them for OSU.

You're stationed in Tuscon? I used to live in Sierra Vista (Fort Huachuca(sp?)) many years ago. I miss it down there, beautiful country.

The word highly motivated was used in this post. I would think that if you come to play against OHiO STATE, you better damn well be motivated. I just think that respect for another team is what motivates a football team to play equal to the task. It's just too bad that so many Buckeye Fans think that all we have to do is just show up for every game and they are going to win.

 

[cincibuck]

I'm not certain that you're using the proper data to build your case. Obviously, the offense has been adequate enough that a greater than 80% winning percentage has been achieved. Furthermore, what is your gradient for average? < 60 out of 120 teams in FBS? Or something else? The reason I ask is that using the offensive ratings out of 120 teams does not help with determining what's average or not.

I'd agree were it not for the fact that Ohio State is/has been/will be one of the top 10 -- possibly top 5 -- programs in the nation in terms of income, fan base, attendance, facilities, history, athletes. To whom much is given, much is expected.

I think most of us faced this year thinking that with this defense and this offensive potential the bucks would put up some good numbers. The USC game was generally conceded, especially after the performance against Navy. A loss to Penn State, at Happy Valley, at night, would not have shocked anyone, but to be totally embarrassed by Purdue...

Yeah, such things happen and it wasn't like Purdue was Toledo or App State, and the defense didn't do any worse than most other defenses have done against Purdue, but this game left no doubt as to the lack of improvement in the offense. For whatever reasons TP has not shown much growth in decision making or his penchant for trying to do too much and coughing up the ball as a result. BUT, with this O-line, with no Beanie Wells to bust through holes that don't exist, with no #2 QB to turn to, this offense is going nowhere.

 

[muffler dragon]

I'd agree were it not for the fact that Ohio State is/has been/will be one of the top 10 -- possibly top 5 -- programs in the nation in terms of income, fan base, attendance, facilities, history, athletes. To whom much is given, much is expected.

I think most of us faced this year thinking that with this defense and this offensive potential the bucks would put up some good numbers. The USC game was generally conceded, especially after the performance against Navy. A loss to Penn State, at Happy Valley, at night, would not have shocked anyone, but to be totally embarrassed by Purdue...

Yeah, such things happen and it wasn't like Purdue was Toledo or App State, and the defense didn't do any worse than most other defenses have done against Purdue, but this game left no doubt as to the lack of improvement in the offense. For whatever reasons TP has not shown much growth in decision making or his penchant for trying to do too much and coughing up the ball as a result. BUT, with this O-line, with no Beanie Wells to bust through holes that don't exist, with no #2 QB to turn to, this offense is going nowhere.

Cinci:

There's nothing that I would argue in your post. I simply wanted the person who called Tressel a below average offensive coach to explain the verbiage.

 

[Woody1968]

Rankings in Total Offense, Scoring Offense, and Recruiting Classes.

Year, Total Offense, Scoring Offense, Recruiting Class

2001 65, 67, **
2002 70, 41, 05
2003 93, 74, 41
2004 98, 71, 09
2005 32, 26, 12
2006 26, 08, 12
2007 62, 41, 15
2008 76, 45, 04
2009 thru Oct 18th 91, 57, 03

Average 68, 48, 13
Not including 2005 & 2006 79, 57, **

Jim Tressel is a class act and a great mentor. However, he is is not a good offensive coach. He is not even an average offensive coach. The numbers do not lie. The main reason Ohio State has won so many games is they consistently put good defensive teams on the field year in and year out. Special teams have always been pretty good too.

It is interesting that ONLY 2001, 2003 and 2004 have been "below average" when you look at scoring defense alone... (by below average, I guess you mean in the lower 50% of the rankings)

 

[matcar]

You really registered on this site to simply post that?

Total yards ranking?

Hopefully JT just does create-a-player and wins 4 Heismans.

On the same token, JT's own measurement for success (250 yds passing and 200 yds rushing) has rarely been achieved.

While I can grant that the defensive statistics under JT are bolstered by his "conservative" offensive philosophy and understand that this is a significant part of the reason that wOSU defenses consistently rate highly, it still see that his own measuring rod for offensive production is rarely achieved.

In the end, I don't think that the casual fan cares whether it's scheme, coaching, talent on the field, or anything else, they just would like to feel like the offense is productive and efficient. The 2009 offense, as of mid-October, isn't. Unfortunately, that statement could be made for several of the past 8 years.

While you cannot argue with JT's success (avg final AP ranking of 6.5 over last 7 years...that's DAMN impressive), I think it's fair to question whether tOSUs offense has been able to impose it's will on other teams as much as one would expect.

 

[osugrad21]

I think it's fair to question whether tOSUs offense has been able to impose it's will on other teams as much as one would expect.

Absolutely. However, the broken record YPG ranking post is not an answer to any of the questions..

 

[Ohiensis]

It is interesting that ONLY 2001, 2003 and 2004 have been "below average" when you look at scoring defense alone... (by below average, I guess you mean in the lower 50% of the rankings)

Since he contrasted offensive rankings with recruiting rankings, I took "below average" to be relative to talent. So if a coach has the tenth most talented offense in the country, then a tenth place ranking, or thereabouts, would probably be considered average offensive coaching. Higher than that would be above average, and lower would be below average. That's just what I think he meant anyway.