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Jet's so serial: PSU = RIVALS!!!1!!11!

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ORD_Buckeye said:
Going back to Bo's first year, the series is dead even at 21-21-2. Dead even over 44 years is a rivalry. Not dead even for the first two years of the series and then getting beat consistently two times out of three for the following two decades.

Woody (4-5-1) and Earl (5-4) combined broke even as did the combined records of Cooper (2-10-1) and Tressel/Fickell/Meyer (10-2)
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Even shortly after Cooper left, it was an even series since Woody Hays had taken over as coach.
 
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Woody1968 said:
Zurp makes a good point. Penn State did not join the Big Ten until I was out of high school.
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I was just going into high school. I also grew up in eastern ohio for about 60% of my childhood and I had relatives in PA and would hear before they joined the B1G how much better they were than Ohio State, so I guess I got my disdain for them at an early age before they came into the B1G. The ingredients were there when they came into the B1G do there to be a good rivalry (passion fan base, good standing programs (at the time), proximity of the schools, etc...).

I guess in some people's eyes that rivalry never became what they thought it could be based upon whatever their reasons. It is what it is to whatever one wants to think. There is no problem with that.
 
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Fremont Buckeye said:
So before playing a down of football for 62 years the football teams not even formed were already rivals? Guess that battle over the Toledo strip really meant something to you.

Let me try and follow your logic for a second. Because the states of Pennslyvania and Ohio did not have a battle over land they could not be rivals from day one like you insist Michigan was. Can you answer the (I'm betting you can't, but humor me) following question: Michigan won 21 of the first 24 games with Ohio State, at what point did Michigan consider Ohio State to be a rival? 1835, right..... :lol
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Not sure where all the smart ass venom is coming from but whatever helps you think you made a point.

If you don't understand the profound cultural differences between the states of Ohio and tsun that make the rivalry much deeper than just football then nothing I can write is going to help you get it. The Toledo War is an illustration of that larger concept but your a really smart guy so I'm sure you knew that.


Since 1993 as Zurp pointed out Penn State has the 3rd best conference record (not counting Nebraska at this point), so your thought of middle of the road is false.
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2 wins better than Iowa. 6 of the last 13 years they haven't had a winning record in conference.

They are good about once every 3-4 years just like Iowa and everyone else.



I think you have been hanging out at BWI to much.
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Says the guy with his panties wadded about OSU fans being dismissive of PSU.
 
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Fremont Buckeye said:
At what point does it become a rivalry though? Is it a matter of fact, personal preference, or other factors.
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I'm sure everyone defines "rivalry" differently. I doubt there's any good mathematical formula you can use to draw a line on a spreadsheet to separate the true rivalries in sports from the non-rivalries. I'd say it's the "personal preference" option.
Fremont Buckeye said:
I was just going into high school. I also grew up in eastern ohio for about 60% of my childhood and I had relatives in PA and would hear before they joined the B1G how much better they were than Ohio State, so I guess I got my disdain for them at an early age before they came into the B1G. The ingredients were there when they came into the B1G do there to be a good rivalry (passion fan base, good standing programs (at the time), proximity of the schools, etc...).

I guess in some people's eyes that rivalry never became what they thought it could be based upon whatever their reasons. It is what it is to whatever one wants to think. There is no problem with that.
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I'm sure the game means something different to you than it does to me. I never knew many real Penn State fans. Off the top of my head, I can only think of one, and he is nothing like what I see on BWI. He's a big reason I never minded Penn State until 2005. He never gloated about big Penn State wins or bragged about their graduation rates or anything. So to me, that game was never "Ugh - Ohio State HAS to win, or I'll hear about it for another year!" And while Penn State has been in the Big Ten for over half of my life time now, the foundation of my desire for all things Ohio State still has nothing to do with Penn State. Someone else posted it: some of us forget that Penn State is even in the Big Ten sometimes.

Conversely, I think anyone who grew up in Columbus knew those Wolverine fans who were only Wolverine fans the day after they beat Ohio State. They couldn't name a single player on the team, except maybe the quarterback. They couldn't name the win-loss record. They knew the score of the game and that was it, and they made sure Buckeye fans wouldn't forget the score.

No one ever said that it's a one-game season, when referring to Ohio State's annual game with Penn State. Again, I'm comparing Ohio State's rivalry with Michigan to some people's claim to a rivalry with Penn State. I know no one says they're on the same level. But I guess that many of us grew up with that one rivalry. There are no other rivalries to us. You can spout the history of Illibuck or whatever other rivalries you want, but for whatever reason, we don't see those games as rivalries. Same goes for Penn State, to me, anyway.
 
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Mike80 said:
Michigan = historic rival

Wisconsin = Recent rival

Ped State = Pedophile enabling appendage to the Big Ten.
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This says it all for me. TSUN is our RIVAL and the best rivalry in all of CFB except maybe Army-Navy.

Wisconsin is our recenr rival due to the on-field product, their fans, their B1G championships, and I always worry about that game.

PSU is just a school/team filled with asshats that I cannot stand and it has nothing to do with sports. They are a different kind of arrogant. They have done shit on the field since joining the B1G. They beat up on east coast crap teams while stacking the deck with their own referees and inflating their HC's win record while handing over the keys to the university. That POS sent his athletes to some branch BS school as to not hurt his "Grand Experiment". This is why we hate Ped State. Again, this has nothing to do with sports. Of course we like to see them lose but it just adds to our comedy relief when we lurk over at BWI.

EVIDENTS & FACTS!!11!!!!11!11111!! Bitch up!
 
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Jaxbuck said:
Not sure where all the smart ass venom is coming from but whatever helps you think you made a point.
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Piss poor logic will get you that.


Jaxbuck said:
If you don't understand the profound cultural differences between the states of Ohio and tsun that make the rivalry much deeper than just football then nothing I can write is going to help you get it.
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When did I say that? :lol Keep putting words into other peoples mouths.


Jaxbuck said:
Says the guy with his panties wadded about OSU fans being dismissive of PSU.
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:lol okay, whatever helps you sleep. Have agreed with other posters on here.
 
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Zurp said:
I'm sure everyone defines "rivalry" differently. I doubt there's any good mathematical formula you can use to draw a line on a spreadsheet to separate the true rivalries in sports from the non-rivalries. I'd say it's the "personal preference" option.


I'm sure the game means something different to you than it does to me. I never knew many real Penn State fans. Off the top of my head, I can only think of one, and he is nothing like what I see on BWI. He's a big reason I never minded Penn State until 2005. He never gloated about big Penn State wins or bragged about their graduation rates or anything. So to me, that game was never "Ugh - Ohio State HAS to win, or I'll hear about it for another year!" And while Penn State has been in the Big Ten for over half of my life time now, the foundation of my desire for all things Ohio State still has nothing to do with Penn State. Someone else posted it: some of us forget that Penn State is even in the Big Ten sometimes.

Conversely, I think anyone who grew up in Columbus knew those Wolverine fans who were only Wolverine fans the day after they beat Ohio State. They couldn't name a single player on the team, except maybe the quarterback. They couldn't name the win-loss record. They knew the score of the game and that was it, and they made sure Buckeye fans wouldn't forget the score.

No one ever said that it's a one-game season, when referring to Ohio State's annual game with Penn State. Again, I'm comparing Ohio State's rivalry with Michigan to some people's claim to a rivalry with Penn State. I know no one says they're on the same level. But I guess that many of us grew up with that one rivalry. There are no other rivalries to us. You can spout the history of Illibuck or whatever other rivalries you want, but for whatever reason, we don't see those games as rivalries. Same goes for Penn State, to me, anyway.
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Fair points. I am by no means trying to compare the rivalry with Michigan to Penn State as it doesn't hold a candle to it. And you are right that I don't think of the PSU game as a one game season like the Michigan one, but when I go back to PA for holidays here and there it is much more enjoyable when Ohio State has beaten Penn State.
 
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