Jamel Dean (CB Tampa Bay Buccaneers)

[muffler dragon]

I care. I believe most fans care about roster manipulation and oversigning; and would prefer it not to take place at their school.

If someone like Liam McCullough (who said on Signing Day that he did not have to grayshirt) ends up grayshirting, then we know we oversigned. And that would make it very difficult for me to give the staff the benefit of the doubt on cases like Jamel Dean.

Now some might be ok with this and view the grayshirt as an isolated issue with a player who accepts it. That's fine. I'm not personally ok with it because it's a very slippery slope.

Considering the likelihood that you'll never understand the ins and outs of each and every situation, that's a helluvalot of unknown to get potentially worked up about.
I realize that, oftentimes, you like to look at situations through negative lenses, and that's well within your right and opinion. I would just caution you on expecting (when and if you do) others to give two shits.

 

[ShowMeBuck]

....let alone 3.

 

[Bill Lucas]

or 12.

 

[BUCKYLE]

Not really trying to comment on this, either way, but damn, how bad could a HS kids knee (if it is the knee) be that he can't be cleared to play football ever again? I mean Braxton has had surgery twice on the same shoulder and I can't imagine him not being cleared.

I guess I'm saying unless they saw an xray that showed he's totally missing a kneecap, you'd think they'd give Jamel all the info he needs to decide on his own whether he wants to take the risk.

Which makes me want to believe it's something more serious than a knee injury.

 

[Mike80]

Not really trying to comment on this, either way, but damn, how bad could a HS kids knee (if it is the knee) be that he can't be cleared to play football ever again? I mean Braxton has had surgery twice on the same shoulder and I can't imagine him not being cleared.

I guess I'm saying unless they saw an xray that showed he's totally missing a kneecap, you'd think they'd give Jamel all the info he needs to decide on his own whether he wants to take the risk.

Which makes me want to believe it's something more serious than a knee injury.

If they see arthritis I somewhat doubt they'll allow him to play....Greg Oden comes to mind. Had they done an MRI of his knees before his freshman year I'd bet he would have never been cleared either.

 

[dragurd]

If they see arthritis I somewhat doubt they'll allow him to play....Greg Oden comes to mind. Had they done an MRI of his knees before his freshman year I'd bet he would have never been cleared either.

I doubt they wouldn't have clearred Oden. Dude was a once in a generation talent. They may have told him his knees will need a lot of management in the future etc but he would have been cleared. Hell he was picked 1 in the NBA draft even knowing the knee issues as I'm sure they did an MRI on him when they had questions about it.

 

[jwinslow]

Not really trying to comment on this, either way, but damn, how bad could a HS kids knee (if it is the knee) be that he can't be cleared to play football ever again? I mean Braxton has had surgery twice on the same shoulder and I can't imagine him not being cleared.

I guess I'm saying unless they saw an xray that showed he's totally missing a kneecap, you'd think they'd give Jamel all the info he needs to decide on his own whether he wants to take the risk.

Which makes me want to believe it's something more serious than a knee injury.

They were locked into taking him with the mid-year agreement, which predated the second injury.

There's also a wide range of "medical hardships":

1) Can never play again

2) Can never play again without threatening severe injury

3) Can play but will never be the same athlete again and thus will not succeed at OSU

4) Can play but has an injury that the school is trumping up to cut him

 

[BUCKYLE]

Imo, if it's anything but #1, the staff is in the wrong. #2 should be his decision. It would be different if we're talking concussion or neck/other head injury, but I have no idea what the actual injury is. #3, imo, you let the kid stay. You wanted him to lock in and recruit others, HS teammates included, he shouldn't be cut. If it's #3, it would feel wrong to me.

I get that others feel differently and while I disagree, I understand that position.

I can't imagine they'd do the kid wrong considering they're recruiting friends of his.

 

[BUCKYLE]

If they see arthritis I somewhat doubt they'll allow him to play....Greg Oden comes to mind. Had they done an MRI of his knees before his freshman year I'd bet he would have never been cleared either.

I can't imagine more than 25% of people that played football for more than a couple years are arthritis / nagging injury free. That's part of the "contract" you sign when you decide to play. I thought Oden's problem was stress fractures of the kneecap.

 

[jlb1705]

I can't imagine more than 25% of people that played football for more than a couple years are arthritis / nagging injury free. That's part of the "contract" you sign when you decide to play. I thought Oden's problem was stress fractures of the kneecap.

He also had cartilage damage in both knees, requiring microfracture surgeries.

 

[Saw31]

I don't know, but having just had surgery from an injury I first sustained in 1989-1990, I kinda wish someone would have shut me down...ya know...a If I knew then what I know now kinda thing.

But then I wasn't looking at possibly making a living playing sports, though.

And I don't know what my reaction would've been when I was 18, being told "you're done playing because your ankle is a fucked up pile of shit and if you continue you're gonna walk with pain and a limp the rest of your life"...Which is more or less my situation now.

Obviously, since I don't know shit about this particular situation, I'm just talking here...

 

[Mike80]

I can't imagine more than 25% of people that played football for more than a couple years are arthritis / nagging injury free. That's part of the "contract" you sign when you decide to play. I thought Oden's problem was stress fractures of the kneecap.

As JLB said, Oden's knees were a mess and were likely a mess long before he signed on at Ohio State. Sometimes big guys have feet problems, but some of them develop knee issues.

As for Dean, if they were suspicious enough to look at his knees this way, maybe (and we don't know this yet) he has something that was clearly going to affect him. Who knows?

 

[BayBuck]

I care.

Oh, we know... we all know you do,

 

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

I have a real hard time believing that whatever is going on specifically with Dean is a roster manipulation on Ohio State's part. To think that, one has to think that the recruiting staff royally missed on this young man's talent level such that they're recruiting over him before he even puts on a helmet with a black stripe. I doubt that very seriously. Moreover, it seems to me, if you're going to "cut" someone via the injury philosophy of roster management, you get rid of a kid who hasn't seen the field in 3 or 4 years, not a freshman who's potential to develop was sufficient to earn a committable offer in the first place.

 

[Mike80]

I have a real hard time believing that whatever is going on specifically with Dean is a roster manipulation on Ohio State's part. To think that, one has to think that the recruiting staff royally missed on this young man's talent level such that they're recruiting over him before he even puts on a helmet with a black stripe. I doubt that very seriously. Moreover, it seems to me, if you're going to "cut" someone via the injury philosophy of roster management, you get rid of a kid who hasn't seen the field in 3 or 4 years, not a freshman who's potential to develop was sufficient to earn a committable offer in the first place.

That's a very rational, very logical way of looking at it.

What the hell is this post doing on BP?