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Jahsen Wint and Amir Riep FOUND NOT GUILTY

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Powair7s said:
If they are kicked out of the university and it turns out all this was made up (not saying it is), the university will find itself in a major lawsuit.
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they are in violation already of the student code of conduct, I believe. not sure there is anything else needed for dismissal. but ill defer to ORD as I believe he is an attorney.
 
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Honor&Glory said:
this. why are they still here?? innocent until proven guilty? sure. for the courts to decide. guilty of piss poor behavior and lacking of basic human morales? guilty as fuck. goodbye.
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I’m good with whatever Day does here (indefinite suspension, fully boots them, etc).

Again, I’d just caution people before immediately wishing rape on these guys in jail.

People had already wished Hyde injury in prison before the tape of the alleged incident came out, and obviously Duke lacrosse comes to mind.

Based on the legal system, Amir and JaShen are effectively done at tOSU. Assuming it goes to trial this will play out over a long period of time.

I have no idea if they’re innocent (I hope for everybody’s sake they are) but I also don’t know that they’re guilty. Think people should slow down a bit before condemning these kids to hell. Just my opinion...
 
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ORD_Buckeye said:
Which is why lawyers are being consulted. But I believe that the university and program established the principle--in regards to that kid in Baltimore--that anyone charged with a felony will not be a part of the football program or recruited by it. They have been formally charged with two felonies, arguably the most heinous felony short of murder. Get rid of them.
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This seems much more reasonable then to just kick them out because they were accused. I want the school to look at the evidence and make a decision. Like I said, this certainly seems credible based on them already being charged....im personally waiting for all the info before I want to say remove them from school.
 
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billmac91 said:
I’m good with whatever Day does here (indefinite suspension, fully boots them, etc).

Again, I’d just caution people before immediately wishing rape on these guys in jail.

People had already wished Hyde injury in prison before the tape of the alleged incident came out, and obviously Duke lacrosse comes to mind.

Based on the legal system, Amir and JaShen are effectively done at tOSU. Assuming it goes to trial this will play out over a long period of time.

I have no idea if they’re innocent (I hope for everybody’s sake they are) but I also don’t know that they’re guilty. Think people should slow down a bit before condemning these kids to hell. Just my opinion...
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I think Hyde (and Robie) were fundamentally different than this. Both of those instances were misdemeanors (and I'm unsure as to whether formal charges were ever brought in either case), and Urban still handed out indefinite suspensions. Here, we have two players booked, jailed and formally charged with--as I said before--the most heinous felony short of murder.
 
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Powair7s said:
This seems much more reasonable then to just kick them out because they were accused. I want the school to look at the evidence and make a decision. Like I said, this certainly seems credible based on them already being charged....im personally waiting for all the info before I want to say remove them from school.
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Beyond the football team, I assume the school has the duty to protect students as well. I’m not sure Day will even have a say in the matter....my assumption is the school will suspend Amir and JaShen as the legal proceedings carry out, and they will enforce some type of policy prohibiting them from campus.

While I caution people to convict Riep and Wint too quickly I also recognize the risk associated at this point. You don’t want a situation like Alabama where they accept a transfer from UGA where the player was kicked off team for physically assaulting a female, and within a week of being on Bama’s campus, he assaults a female student.

I’d expect by end of day OSU to suspend them as students first and foremost, making football pretty moot anyways.
 
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Powair7s said:
In rape cases there is usually very little evidence which is why the rate of conviction to accusation is so low. My only point was having video evidence of consent has to make the case more difficult to prosecute. I'm not saying they are innocent or guilty, it was just an observation. Thankfully you aren't on their jury.
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Well, you don't know that I'm not because no jury has been impaneled yet. And your point about video evidence cuts both ways, was my point. Like I've said, the number of times I've had sex and thought... you know what.. I think I'd better get consent on tape before I go is precisely zero times. And I sure haven't sought to have some crying woman declare her consent to the camera while me and my boy mug it up laughing.
 
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Honor&Glory said:
i am not a lawyer so I am not sure. but if the female is a student I believe the forced video falls under the hazing section of the code.
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You've just been raped, you're terrorized and desperately want to get out of there. The two guys who just gang raped you shove a camera in your face and tell you to say it was consensual. What do you do? You say what they want you to say so you can leave because you're terrified of what they might do if you refuse.
 
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Buckeyeskickbuttocks said:
Well, you don't know that I'm not because no jury has been impaneled yet. And your point about video evidence cuts both ways, was my point. Like I've said, the number of times I've had sex and thought... you know what.. I think I'd better get consent on tape before I go is precisely zero times. And I sure haven't sought to have some crying woman declare her consent to the camera while me and my boy mug it up laughing.
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It was about 20 years ago, but in HS sex education, they encouraged boys to get written consent prior to sex with a girl.

Of course, they pushed abstinence but if you were going to “do it” they suggested having the girl sign off on it. I’m dead serious.....I mean, everyone burst out laughing, the thought is so ridiculous. But it was taught.

I guess carrying that forward, in today’s age, is it possible they’ve been taught to get recorded consent since everyone has a cellphone? My guess is they have been, although it’s 100% better to get the consent before the sex act rather than after.

But the idea of asking for consent on cell video is not far fetched to me at all. I’d imagine most privileged men have been taught this technique, although laughable, by experts who view it as the best defense against an accusation of rape.
 
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