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Indians Tidbits (2006 season)..

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coco crisp hasnt even come close to his potential...we're talking about a future .320-.330 switch hittewr who could be a great leadoff hitter once grady settles into a 3-4 spot in the lineup.......it's so frustrating to even think about.....by the way this isn't the first time marte has been shopped around and it isnt as if the red sox are set at 3rd base with a big time stud for the future...im just really disappointed----instead of having an offseason to help us contend for next year, we're rebuilding for the future yet again...thanks larry dolan, you're the man
 
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sorry i'm a little worked up right now...the report i just read said the trade is contingent upon us finding a replacement for coco.....one replacemnt may be Jeff DaVanon,.......im feeling a lot better now, Jeff DaVanon did just come an unbelievable year hitting .231.........allrigight that may actually sound a little low, but he is a carerr .255 hitter....im really liking this trade now, Jeff DaVanon and a prospect whos about to be on his 3rd team in 3 months
 
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More trade news:

Coco not gone yet

Crisp not yet Boston bound

Reported deal could hinge on separate trade for Phillies outfielder

By Sheldon Ocker

Beacon Journal sportswriter

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Published reports insisting that Coco Crisp is about to become a member of the Boston Red Sox are at least a little premature.
Yes, the Indians are working with the Red Sox on a deal that would send the left fielder to Boston in exchange for third-base prospect Andy Marte, 22, whom the Tribe has coveted for a while. Last year, the Indians attempted to consummate a swap for Marte from his then-employer, the Atlanta Braves.
However, it's unlikely the Indians will complete a trade for Marte unless they can acquire outfielder Jason Michaels from the Philadelphia Phillies.
The Tribe reportedly is willing to part with one of two relievers, Arthur Rhodes or Rafael Betancourt, in exchange for Michaels, 29, who batted .304 but had only 289 at-bats in 2005. Included in Michaels' numbers were four homers, 31 RBI and three steals.
Why give up a proven impact player like Crisp for a journeyman outfielder? Marte is the key to the deal for the Indians. He is considered a top-flight prospect, though in his first major-league exposure -- 24 games and 57 at-bats for the Braves last year -- he batted a meager .140.
However, in spending the bulk of his season at Triple-A Richmond, Marte batted .275 with 20 home runs and 74 RBI. The Indians' farm system is not well fortified with talented third baseman, and big-league incumbent Aaron Boone probably will be gone after the 2007 season, possibly before.
In addition to Marte, the Red Sox have allegedly offered reliever Guillermo Mota, 32, who posted a 4.70 ERA in 56 appearances for the Florida Marlins in 2005.
One Tribe operative said he didn't think anything would happen for at least two days, while General Manager Mark Shapiro tried to obtain Michaels.
 
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JCOSU86 said:
Here's a Tribe trade if I've ever seen it:

Crisp: .300 with 42 doubles, 16 homers and 69 RBI
Marte: .140 with four RBI
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If you look at trades like that, the Tribe wouldn't have Halfner nor Crisp in the first place. Marte has a lot more upside than crisp.

I'm not all in favor of this trade b/c i like Coco but i think Boston is probley overpaying.

Marte is the kind of guy most clubs say is untouchable. The Red Sox, like the Yankees are willing to throw away the future for this next season b/c they have the money. Thats the reason he is being offered.
 
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if by untocuhable you mean being traded by the braves too red sox just a few months ago and now red sox to us...by the way schuerholtz is prob the best evaluator of talent in baseball and it says something when he lets a young guy who supposedly has huge upside go....the only players he's let go with success i can think of is bruce chen if he keeps throwing well, maybe jermaine dye, millwood was prob a bad decesion not to resign....other than that this guy doenst let anything slip out of his house....marte came up last year and looked foolish for chipper jones..FOOLISH.....he's really the only guy they sent back down of their rookies they thought could contribute.....this is a BAD move, and I'll be the first to admit it if I'm wrong but i don't just dont see that happening
 
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marte came up last year and looked foolish for chipper jones..FOOLISH.
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He had all of 57 at-bats. Please don't make more of that than his murder of International League pitching to a tune much like Peralta's 2004 season.

BTW, Kyle Davies, Joey Devine, Frank Brooks, and Brayan Pena were all shuttled back and forth during the season, not just Marte.
 
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not every trade has a winner AND a loser... sometimes... BOTH win... I know it's always great when we feel like we caught the other team sleeping.. but from the looks of it... I say this was a win win...

as far as letting Marte go... the reality is... if you want someone good you have to offer someone good...

this is the best move for Coco.. maybe not the best for Cleveland TODAY... but over the next 10, this could be a great move.. and it's a great move for Boston NOW.. they fill a huge need... two needs... a CF and a leadoff hitter...

I'm more upset about losing either Rhodes or Batancort... those two are damn valuable as far as I'm concerned... altho Mota will alleviate that somewhat...
 
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i dunno, im being really pessimistic about it....to me its lose-lose as an indians fan...we just gave away a player we've developed the last several years, and a pretty damn good player for another prospect, whom may develop well enough to the point where we can trade him for another young prospect.....maybe by the time marte has developed into a big leaguer we'll have an owner who recognizes and rewards good play and is willing to pay a solid/good and maybe in a year or two great left fielder over 3 mil a year.....i certainly don't fault shapiro in this, even though i think there are better prospects out there...but as a die-hard indians fan i couldnt wait for coco to take over that leadoff spot, with guys like grady, hafner, victor behind him
 
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From Coco's perspective.....

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1/23/06


BASEBALL | INDIANS

Trade rumors keep Crisp on edge of seat

Monday, January 23, 2006

Scott Priestle
THE COLUMBUS DISPATCH
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Coco Crisp will be on the beach at 8 this morning to work out, and he won’t return home until 1 or 2 in the afternoon. It is his off-season routine, Monday through Friday.

"Saturdays and Sundays are family days. Right now I’m going to do whatever my wife wants me to do," Crisp said with a chuckle yesterday, from his home in Manhattan Beach, Calif.

The Cleveland Indians outfielder is preparing for the upcoming season and is determined not to let anything distract him — including contract negotiations and trade rumors.

Crisp is eligible for arbitration, and the Indians have approached him about signing a multiyear contract.

Meanwhile, the Boston Red Sox have approached the Indians about trading Crisp, and the Boston Herald reported yesterday that a deal was nearly complete.

According to the Herald, the Indians would send Crisp to Boston for top third base prospect Andy Marte and reliever Guillermo Mota, on the condition that the Indians also acquire an outfielder to replace Crisp in the lineup. The newspaper mentioned Jason Michaels of Philadelphia and free agent Jeff DaVanon as possibilities.

The Boston Globe previously reported that the Red Sox have been pushing a Marte-and-Mota-for-Crisp trade and that the deal could grow to include other players on each team.

Indians assistant general manager Chris Antonetti declined to comment on the reports, citing the club’s policy of not discussing specific trade rumors. "I will say we don’t have any deals done," he said.

Crisp said he has heard his name bandied about in trade rumors throughout the off-season. He seemed more flattered than flustered.

"It’s like the end of a movie," he said. "You’re just waiting for the end of the movie to see what actually happens. So it’s exciting in those terms."

Crisp hit .300 with 16 home runs and 15 stolen bases for the Indians last season, when he made $369,900. He will get a raise to around $3 million this season but is not eligible for free agency until after the 2009 season.

If the trade talks fall apart, the Indians and Crisp’s agent, Steve Comte, will continue to discuss one-year and multiyear contracts.

Crisp said he is open to either. Otherwise, the sides will go before an arbitrator, who will decide the terms of a oneyear deal.

"Just sit back and wait," Crisp said. "You can’t stress about it. My main focus has been on my off-season — just working out hard to be ready for the season — not on that stuff. If I was focused on that, I probably would be stressed."

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