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Indians Tidbits (2006 season)..

as far as bringing up marte, there is also some issue with service time i do believe.

guys brought up after july 31 don't start accruing service time until the following year or something of the sort.

vazquez or inglett could be sent down to make room for marte if boone isn't traded.
 
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Who could we possibly trade for that would really make a difference?

I know of few veteran players that could be negoitated that would be worth having before the trade deadline.

they won't trade for any vets unless they make a major trade. they would unload a guy like boone for a prospect like they did eduardo perez.

there was a rumor floating a while back about either adam miller and ryan garko or cliff lee for carl crawford, but that hasn't gotten much play as of late.
 
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there was a rumor floating a while back about either adam miller and ryan garko or cliff lee for carl crawford, but that hasn't gotten much play as of late.

I don't really like player for player trades. In my opinion one player isn't doing good somewhere so they like to get rid of him. If your trading for one single player then you're getting yourself back into the same situation because the guy is probably having the same trouble on the team he's comming from.
 
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carl crawford would be worth a prospect and cliff lee......itd be great to get a leadoff hitter allowing grady to slide to the 2 or 3 spot in the lineup.....carl crawford is a great base stealer as well....crawford would definately be an upgrade of michaels in left field too.....id pull the trigger on that one if it becomes available
1. crawford
2. grady
3. pronk
4. martinez

thats a heckuva lineup...especially is peralta hits out of his slump and you can move him back to 3 or put him at 5
 
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I agree that Crawford would be a GREAT get... but I'm not willing to give up Lee to get him... we are way overstacked at first... with a distinct possibility we may have to just stick Martinez there because of his atrocious throwing... either that or teach him how to breathe out of his eyelids and wear womens underwear... but the only thing TB really needs is pitching... tuff dilemma
 
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carl crawford is just one of those guys waiting to be a household name once he gets out of tampa...hes already a big name to most people but he the skills to be the most electric player in baseball....its said hes easily the fastest player in baseball.....could of played football just about anywhere in the country if he hadnt gone with baseball....as far as giving up Lee, I'd do it.....I understand pitching wins championship but a starting 5 of Sabathia, Westbrook, Sowers, Guthrie and a 5th wouldnt be bad thinking about next year
 
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This is just to painful to watch...where is their heart?

ABJ

7/19/06

Angels stay hot,
beat Indians 7-5


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Los Angeles Angels' Mike Napoli, left, is tagged out at first by Cleveland Indians first baseman Victor Martinez on a pickoff play in the second inning of a baseball game in Anaheim, Calif., on Tuesday, July 18, 2006
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<!-- begin body-content -->ANAHEIM, Calif. - Joe Saunders and Dustin Moseley may not pitch again for the Los Angeles Angels until September, when the rosters are expanded. Until then, they can commiserate in the minors and talk about the week they contributed to the team's longest winning streak of the season.
Saunders pitched seven sharp innings in an emergency start for the ailing Kelvim Escobar and the Angels won their eighth straight, beating the Cleveland Indians 7-5 on Tuesday night. After the game, Sanders was sent back to Triple-A Salt Lake.
"I kind of had it in the back of my mind that I was probably going to get sent down after the game," the 25-year-old left-hander said after his first major league victory. "So it's basically one and done. But it was a good one, because I got my first win. Hopefully, there's many more."
Saunders (1-0) allowed two runs - one earned - and four hits, after going 10-3 with a 2.50 ERA in 19 starts with Salt Lake. A first-round draft pick in 2002, Saunders made his other two big league starts last season and allowed eight earned runs in 9 1-3 innings.
"After the third inning the nerves settled down a little bit and I just tried to settle down and keep the ball down," Saunders said. "I threw a lot of two-seamers down in the zone, hoping they'd hit it on the ground and my defense would turn the double play. And that's what they did."
Saunders struck out five, walked four and induced four of Cleveland's five double-play grounders. Escobar didn't start because of irritation in his right elbow.
"It's an honor to get called up, period," Saunders said. "I'm not sure what they have in store for me, so I just wanted to come up here and make the most of my opportunity. It's a little disconcerting to be sent right back down, but this rotation is so good, I'm not going to crack it unless someone gets hurt. I know that and they know that."
The Angels handed the Indians their fifth straight loss by basically following the same script as Monday night, when Moseley was called up from Salt Lake for one day and beat Cleveland 10-5 in his major league debut. The right-hander was making a spot start for the injured Jered Weaver.
"There's a little pressure because this team has been doing so well without us," Saunders said. "Me and Moseley really tried to come in here and not do anything wrong. We both kept the team in the game and let our defense make the plays behind us."
The win was the Angels' 13th in 14 games, putting them three games over .500 (48-45) for the first time this season and keeping them one-half game behind first-place Oakland. The winning streak matches their longest of last season, when they won their second straight AL West title.
"They're doing pretty good right now," Cleveland shortstop Jhonny Peralta said. "They threw two pitchers at us that they called up from Triple-A and those guys threw pretty good. (Sanders) has a good fastball and sinker and changeup, and he used them all tonight. They've got a good pitcher there."
Cleveland scored two runs in the ninth off Kevin Gregg to make it 7-4 before Francisco Rodriguez came on with two on and two outs. He gave up a run-scoring single to Grady Sizemore and then got pinch-hitter Todd Hollandsworth to fly out for his 23rd save.
Juan Rivera homered twice for the Angels, his third multi-homer game this season - all this month - and the sixth of his career. He made it 6-1 in the sixth with a leadoff homer and then hit his 13th of the season leading off the eighth against Brian Sikorski. He was the first batter Sikorski faced after being obtained earlier Tuesday from the San Diego Padres.
Cliff Lee (9-7) allowed six runs - five earned - and seven hits in five-plus innings after going 6-1 with a 3.76 ERA over his previous eight starts. The left-hander began that stretch with a 14-2 win over the Angels on June 3.
Vladimir Guerrero triggered Los Angeles' five-run rally in the fourth with a game-tying RBI single that followed Orlando Cabrera's leadoff double.
Three batters later, Tim Salmon put the Angels ahead to stay with a two-out RBI double and Howie Kendrick followed with a two-run single. Right fielder Casey Blake then misplayed Chone Figgins' hit-and-run single, allowing Robb Quinlan to score from first base.
Notes: The Angels will recall OF Reggie Willits from Salt Lake on Wednesday to replace Saunders on the roster. ... Cleveland's Travis Hafner was 0-for-4, ending his career-best hitting streak at 12 games. ... Lee's .783 winning percentage last season (18-5) made him the first Cleveland pitcher to lead the AL in that department since 1951, when Hall of Famer Bob Feller was 22-8. Wednesday will mark the 70th anniversary of Feller's major league debut. ... According to the Elias Sports Bureau, Moseley made history in Monday's cameo appearance. He became the first starting pitcher in the "live ball" era (1920-present) to win his big league debut despite throwing only five innings and allowing 10 or more hits.
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ABJ

7/19/06

Young Marte already ahead of game

At just 22, Tribe prospect likely to be called up soon


<!-- begin body-content -->So how are we to look at Andy Marte, the Indians' third baseman-in-waiting at Class AAA Buffalo?
Start with the fact that he's only 22. According to Tribe Director of Player Development John Farrell, the average Class AAA player is 26.
At Buffalo, Marte is the second-youngest player on the team -- behind 20-year-old Asdrubal Cabrera.
``And he's the youngest player in Class AAA,'' Farrell said of the young shortstop.
So what does age mean?
A lot, when it comes to measuring prospects.
If Marte was 26, then his statistics (.276, 13 home runs, 43 RBI) would not be special.
As General Manager Mark Shapiro said, there are players being drafted out of college this summer who are the same age as Marte -- and they will begin their pro careers in rookie ball, four levels below Marte.
At 6-foot-1 and a bulky 200 pounds, Marte looks older.
He seems older because he signed with the Atlanta Braves at age 17 out of the Dominican Republic.
He played a year at Danville in the Appalachian League. Homesick and lonely, Marte batted .200 in 37 games -- his only disappointing minor-league season.
So when you look at Marte's numbers the last few seasons, you must do it through the lens of age and projections. Remember that baseball is an unforgiving game; few players take shortcuts to the majors.
Consider that Jim Thome spent parts of three seasons trying to stick in Cleveland before finally establishing himself in 1994.
By then he was 23.
Bartolo Colon went up and down six times in the 1997 season before he became a member of the rotation in '98. He was 26; he signed at 19.
Travis Hafner is a star now, but he signed at 20 and didn't break into the Tribe lineup until he was 26.
That frustrates most fans because the tendency is to want the kids to play like veterans. Very few are like Grady Sizemore or Manny Ramirez, players who don't repeat a level in the minors and just make a relentless march to the big leagues.
Most players stumble at some point in their journey up the ladder.
`Can't-miss' rating
Marte came to the Tribe in the controversial Coco Crisp winter trade with the Boston Red Sox. Marte was ranked the No. 1 prospect in the Atlanta Braves' farm system in 2005, and the No. 1 Red Sox prospect for 2006 by Baseball America. The magazine rated Marte No. 9 in all of baseball.
Atlanta traded Marte to the Red Sox for veteran shortstop and four-time All-Star Edgar Renteria, and the Red Sox also paid more than $15 million on Renteria's contract. The Red Sox then used Marte as bait for Crisp, because they knew the Tribe had been trying to deal for Marte with the Braves.
Some fans saw Marte being traded twice in a few months and wondered if there was something wrong. Actually, there was a lot right with Marte. The Braves didn't need him at third because of veteran Chipper Jones. The Red Sox were desperate for a center fielder to replace free agent Johnny Damon, and they went after Marte to secure Crisp.
Marte is a tremendous prospect, but ``can't-miss'' prospects have missed before. Here's another fact: Tribe players Cliff Lee, Jake Westbrook, Casey Blake, Hafner and Sizemore were nothing more than unproven prospects when the Indians obtained them.
Most fans have a tendency to remember those who fail. Several fans have been dredging up the ghost of Ted Cox from the late 1970s, a hot-shot third-base prospect whom the Indians obtained from the Red Sox. He flopped in Cleveland.
For what it's worth, Cox had only 44 homers in 2,070 minor-league at-bats, hitting .287.
Marte has 95 homers in 2,143 minor-league at-bats, hitting .275.
What does that comparison demonstrate?
Absolutely nothing. Every player, every circumstance is different.
In 1970, Graig Nettles was an outfielder with the Minnesota Twins who hit .224 at age 24. He was a prospect with a huge question mark next to his name. The Indians traded for him, moved him to third base, and he became an All-Star and a Gold Glove winner -- with the New York Yankees in the mid-1970s.
So what does that prove?
That sometimes no one knows anything when it comes to projecting young players.
Waiting his turn
Marte hit .350 in spring training, but the Indians sent him to the minors because they had veteran Aaron Boone at third. Besides, there was no rush. Marte will not even turn 23 until the end of October.
Yes, he played for Richmond last season in the same Class AAA International League, hitting .275 with 20 HR and 74 RBI. At 21, he also spent 24 games with the Braves. He was totally overmatched, hitting .140.
Here's what you notice when looking at Marte's record: He has produced about the same at every level from Class A to Class AAA. He hits about 20 homers and drives in about 70 runs in about 110 games. He strikes out about once in every four at-bats, and is usually among the league leaders in walks.
All while being one of the youngest players in his league.
Former Tribe executive Jeff Scott used to say that kind of consistency can be a pattern with some Latino players. He pointed to former Indian Carlos Baerga, who batted .270 in Class A, .273 in Class AA, .275 in Class AAA and then .260 with Tribe in 1990, before breaking through at .312 in 1992 -- when he was 23.
Marte's averages in the last four minor-league seasons at three levels: .285, .269, .275 and .276.
Marte is relatively consistent, regardless of his opponents' pitching. For his career, he's a .285 hitter vs. lefties, .270 vs. righties. This season, it's .286 vs. lefties, .272 vs. righties.
Breakdown in '06
Marte had a strong first week at Buffalo, batting close to .400. He began to slump in mid-April, and really hit bottom in May (.225, two HR, eight RBI).
``I saw a good kid who was pressing at the end of May,'' said Tribe Assistant General Manager Neal Huntington. ``He thought he had a chance to come up because Boone was struggling, and Andy had not been hitting homers. He started to try and pull everything.''
A strong right-handed hitter, Marte is at his best when he hits the ball up the middle and to right-center. If he tries to hit the ball hard to left field, he pulls his head out to third base, loses sight of the ball and messes up his stride and balance as he swings.
Many hitters have this same problem.
``Andy is so sincere, so hard-working that you have to be careful that you don't give him too much advice,'' said Farrell. ``He takes it all to heart, and tries everything.''
When a hitter says, ``I lost my swing,'' it means he suddenly forgets what comes naturally.
In June, what was lost suddenly was found for Marte.
He batted .304 with 10 homers and 22 RBI in 24 games, and he's batting .313 in 14 games in July.
``I think he got over the hype of the trade and the expectations he felt,'' said Huntington. ``We forget, but he's still so young. He really wants to excel. He has natural talent, and just needed to make it flow.''
Here are Marte's batting averages for the first four months of this season: .284, .225, .304 and .313.
``That actually is a pattern that he's shown in the past,'' said Farrell. ``He gets hot right away, then slows down, then picks it up in June and hits well the rest of the year.''
You might have noticed Marte won the home run hitting contest at the Triple-A International League All-Star Game. As for what that indicates, the answer is not much, other than he can hit a lot of home runs off 60 mph batting-practice pitches.
Defensive work
Shapiro and others in the Tribe front office mention that Marte ``is not a finished product.'' They say he will have to be ``finished off in the majors.'' Shapiro has been talking about a call-up near August for Marte.
Right now, the Indians are working on his defense.
This is a strange twist to the story. In his first four minor-league seasons, he was voted by opposing managers and coaches as the best defensive third baseman in his respective leagues.
That included last year in the International League, when he had 15 errors in 109 games.
This season, he has made 19 errors in 87 games in the same league.
Here are his errors by month: six in April, two in May, nine in June and two in July.
How about this: In the month when he hit the best (June), he made the most errors. In the month when he hit the worst (May), he had the fewest errors.
Farrell and others in the Tribe front office have no idea what that means. They just say they are working on his fielding -- especially going to his left. Marte has a strong arm; sometimes, he just doesn't get his body in front of grounders.
At 22, it seems Marte should continue to improve and grow emotionally and physically. Most players don't peak until their late 20s. It's hard to rush experience or maturity.
The 33-year-old Aaron Boone ranks 23rd among all major-league third basemen in RBI (36), 20th in batting average (.246), 37th in homers (four) and second in errors (14). He batted .198 in June, .216 in July.
Ready or not, it appears Marte's time is coming.
For the Tribe, the good thing is Marte's minor-league record shows he has time on his side.
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ABJ

7/20/06

One save to savor

Wickman gets call for 750th time; Blake saves day

By Sheldon Ocker

Beacon Journal sportswriter

<!-- begin body-content -->ANAHEIM, CALIF. - It was starting to look like Bob Wickman would make the 4,200-mile journey from Cleveland to Minneapolis to Anaheim and back to Cleveland without pitching more than once.
After earning a save against the Twins in the first game of the trip, Wickman became a man without a job, inasmuch as the Indians lost the next five.
Finally, at Angels Stadium on Wednesday, in the last inning of the last game, manager Eric Wedge summoned Wickman to the mound for the 750th time in his career.
His mission, as usual: keep the lead through the ninth. Wickman did that to earn his 15th save, as the Tribe gained a 6-4 win over the Los Angeles Angels, who had won 13 out of 14 coming in.
``Oh yeah, I knew about the number,'' Wickman said. ``When we were in St. Louis, someone told me, and I was thinking, `I've got 747, maybe I can get to 750.' ''
Then, with a wide grin, Wickman said, ``That's a wonderful thing, 750 appearances.''
Wickman tied Warren Spahn for 47th on the all-time list. Ron Reed is next with 751. The leader is Jesse Orosco, who amassed 1,252 appearances.
The win was a genuine team effort. Not only did Wickman do his job, but starter Paul Byrd also kept the Angels on a short leash, and the offense -- after wasting a couple of opportunities -- delivered a big inning. Plus, Casey Blake made a monster defensive play that was the turning point in the game.
After five runners were stranded in the first two innings, it looked like Angels starter John Lackey would extend his scoreless streak through nine more innings.
But Ben Broussard ended it at 30 2/3 innings, when he ripped a two-run homer to trigger a five-run fourth.
``We looked at Lackey's last start,'' Broussard said. ``You could tell he's been on his game. And he's been tougher with men on base.
``He's difficult to see. I was just trying to square the ball up, because he does a great job.''
Coming into Wednesday's game, Lackey (8-6, 2.93 ERA) had compiled a 0.77 ERA in his past six starts. Against the Tribe, however, he was charged with five runs, 10 hits and five walks in 4 2/3 innings.
The Indians' big inning, which included a two-run bloop single by Jhonny Peralta, gave them a 5-2 advantage, and when Aaron Boone homered with two outs in the seventh, the Angels trailed 6-3.
Byrd (7-6, 4.28 ERA) gave the Angels several chances. In six innings, he yielded 10 hits, but that total was tolerable because he walked none.
``Paul threw a good ballgame,'' Wedge said. ``That's a tough lineup and a hot team. He got big outs when he needed them and got help from his defense. Casey made the biggest play of the game.''
It was Byrd's first trip back to Anaheim since spending 2005 in the Angels' rotation, and he admitted to being a little ``emotional.''
``Other guys can throw the ball past hitters,'' he said. ``But when I get too emotional, I can be dangerous (to myself), because I might start overthrowing. I caught myself doing that a few times today.''
In giving up three runs, Byrd was both lucky and unlucky.
The Angels were fortunate to score a run in the fifth on Vladimir Guerrero's looping single that dropped in front of Joe Inglett, scoring Orlando Cabrera from second.
On the other hand, Blake's spectacular diving catch of Chone Figgins' fly ball near the right-field line in the sixth probably saved two runs. With two outs, Adam Kennedy on second and Jose Molina on first were running at the crack of the bat.
``It was do or die on that play,'' Wedge said. ``If Casey doesn't get it, it's a tie ballgame.''
At the time, the Tribe was holding a 5-3 lead, so Blake's catch likely kept the Angels from forging a tie or taking the lead.
``That was the key to the game,'' Byrd said of Blake's catch. ``He saved the game. If he misses that ball, Figgins might get an inside-the-parker.
``I had my hands on top of my head thinking, `Oh no.' ''
Joked Byrd, ``I'm not good enough to stick with one team, but I'm not bad enough to retire.''
Blake didn't know whether he would catch up to Figgins' fly ball.
``I didn't think I'd get it until I looked in my glove,'' he said. ``Then I thought to myself, `I don't know how I came up with it.' ''
And if Blake had come up a little short?
``I thought at least I would knock it down and pounce on it like a puma,'' he said, mocking himself. ``Then maybe I'd throw the guy out at the plate.''
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ABJ

7/20/06

Indians report

Inglett doesn't waste chance

Rookie starts in center, gets on base five times

By Sheldon Ocker

Beacon Journal sportswriter

<!-- begin body-content -->ANAHEIM, CALIF. - Maybe fans won't question Eric Wedge's moves for a while.
On Wednesday, the Indians' manager decided that Grady Sizemore needed a rest, so he inserted rookie Joe Inglett at the top of the batting order and in center field.
Inglett responded with an RBI double, two singles, two walks and a stolen base for his biggest game in the majors.
``Joe is a very confident player,'' Wedge said. ``He prepares well, and he has a good understanding of the game. He also brought a lot of energy to us today.''
Inglett was playing in only his 11th big-league game and making his sixth start. Every other time he has been in the lineup, Inglett had batted eighth or ninth.
``You're into the game quicker,'' said Inglett, who has batted at or near the top of the lineup in the minors. ``When you hit ninth, you have to wait a few innings.''
Having a breakout game not only makes a player feel good about himself for the next few hours, but it also can have long-term effects.
``It's huge for me,'' Inglett said.
``It's a big-time confidence builder. I'm starting to feel more comfortable at the plate and comfortable overall up here. Everything is beginning to slow down for me. My heart's not beating that fast anymore.''
Inglett drove in his first major-league run and stole his first major-league base.
``It's good to get those things out of the way, because then you know you can do it,'' he said. ``There were firsts of a lot of things today.''
Inglett did not have the luxury of facing a second-rate pitcher. John Lackey came into the game as one of the hottest pitchers in the league.
``I was watching video of him,'' said Inglett, who had never seen Lackey throw in person. ``Guys were telling me about him. I could see that he was nasty. It was so bad, I stopped watching the tape.''
Nobody can argue with Inglett's methods.
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Radio is reporting that the Indians traded Bob Wickman to the Atlanta Braves for a Class A Catcher prospect???

Great, the Nationals get 2 young major league players for 2 mediocre relievers and the Indians get a Class A minor league prospect??? :sad2:


EDIT - Link... http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2525138

Wow, the nightmare continues. Worst season in recent memory. Taking gigantic steps backward as the rest of the division improves.
 
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