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Indians Tidbits (2006 season)..

Well, we've got a pretty good track record on these unpopular deals.

Yep...

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NFBuck, whats that picture with the nailer......a movie i don't recognize?


anyways, as far as the trade goes, i couldnt be more disappointed.......i really thought coco was about to have a breakout year...i think boston gets a good one.....i have a feeling his average is going to dip a little in boston, but they;ll be impressed with is passiuon for the game, ground he covers in the outfield, and his arm is a little better than damon's, which is saying too much.....i hope marte has a big impact, i just have a bad feeling though...i still think it says a lot when shuerholtz lets a prospect out of his sytem....i dont know much about the catcher kelly shoppenbauch, anyopne have some info. on him? i could care less about mota, its about the same as having riske....riske would get hit a lot, mota has problems with control
 
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Kelly Shoppach is a great defensive catcher with some pop in his bat. Like most power hitters though, he strikes out a lot.

He was a AAA all-star last year, and also was named Pawtucket Red Sox player of the year in 2005.

Last year's AAA stats:

.253 avg
26 HRs
75 RBIs
0.859 OPS
 
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This was an absolutely stupid trade! Coco is a very solid outfielder, and it seems whenever someone starts doing well for the Indians, then the owners trade them away. Hopefully, this won't affect the direction of the team's play because I don not want to see them miss the playoffs this year with the way they played last year.
 
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NFBuck, whats that picture with the nailer......a movie i don't recognize?

*snip*

i dont know much about the catcher kelly shoppenbauch, anyopne have some info. on him? i could care less about mota, its about the same as having riske....riske would get hit a lot, mota has problems with control

The pic is from American Psycho.

Mota needs to not be an asshole, but I think Wedge will keep him in check. Hopefully, Matt Miller will be healthy and take a slot. We'll get Cabrera for a whole year, Andy Brown is near ready as well.

Shoppach is a much better hitter than Bard, but they need to play him more than Bard played last year. I hope they are serious about getting Victor some rest.

I'm still hearing a possible Westbrook/Kearns deal, and the Tribe signing Weaver.
 
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ABJ

1/28/06

That might not be the extent of Tribe General Manager Mark Shapiro's machinations. Cincinnati Reds interim General Manager Brad Kullman confirmed that Shapiro is proposing a deal that would bring power-hitting outfielder Austin Kearns to Cleveland and send right-handed starter Jake Westbrook to the Reds.

This precise swap reportedly was turned down last week by then-Cincinnati GM Dan O'Brien, before he was fired by new owner Bob Castellini. With a new man in the Reds front office, the attitude has changed.

Kullman said Friday that some Cincinnati baseball people were concerned Kearns' loss would be a serious blow to the attack. However, it's no secret that the Reds are desperate for starting pitching.

``A lot of teams are interested in Austin Kearns, and the Indians proposed that type of deal (Kearns for Westbrook),'' Kullman said.

The GM added: ``If Jake could put us over the top this year, I'd jump at it. I won't say I'm not interested.''

As a matter of policy, Shapiro does not comment on possible trades or free-agent signings.

If the Tribe acquired Kearns, what would happen to Michaels, who batted .304 and posted an on-base percentage of .399 in 289 at-bats with the Phillies last year?

``Jason Michaels is a hard-nosed, tough player that complements our lineup extremely well,'' Shapiro said in a prepared statement. ``He has always been a tough out while recording a high on-base percentage and has the ability to play all three outfield positions well.''

The acquisition of Kearns probably would make Michaels the team's No. 4 outfielder, a role that he played for Philadelphia. That would allow Kearns to play every day, possibly in right, with Casey Blake moving to left.

In his first full season last year, Kearns, 25, batted .240 but hit 18 home runs with 67 RBI in 387 at-bats. A free swinger, to be sure, he struck out 107 times. Shapiro has been seeking a right-handed hitter with muscle for at least a year.

Losing Westbrook would leave a giant hole in Cleveland's rotation. According to a rival team, Shapiro has been in recent discussions with free-agent right-hander Jeff Weaver (14-11, 4.22 ERA for the Los Angeles Dodgers in 2005).

Weaver, 29, made $9.5 million last season, but the market for him has been thin, and he might be willing to take at least $1 million less on a one-year contract.

The cost of his salary would be offset by the departure of Rhodes ($3.7 million) and Westbrook ($4.25 million). Michaels will make $1.5 million this season.
 
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1/28/06

Tribe's promising young core still bright, now only younger


Saturday, January 28, 2006 Bud Shaw
Plain Dealer Columnist

The Indians are trading Coco Crisp, not Coco Colavito.

Still, let's stop selling World Series contention in 2006 as if absolutely nothing has changed.

At least while replacing a starting outfielder who hit .300 with an almost 30-year-old part-timer. And especially when the gearshift on their off-season was stuck in neutral.

Two players left the Philadelphia Phillies for the AL Central in the off-season. The Indians sound as if they're the ones who landed Jim Thome. But the White Sox acquired Thome in a trade.

Instead, the Indians plan to fill Crisp's spot with Jason Michaels, acquired from the Phillies on Friday for reliever Arthur Rhodes. He'll hit lefties better than Crisp did, but that might be all.

Because third-base prospect Andy Marte is the central figure in the deal that also brought reliever Guillermo Mota and catcher Kelly Shoppach from Boston, the best part of the trade doesn't have much to do with 2006.

Two good organizations - Boston and Atlanta - have used Marte as a bargaining chip to acquire big-league talent. Just when people were beginning to believe the Indians were shopping in the same aisle, they became sellers.

Why? Because they know they'll never sign a third baseman of Marte's standing in the free-agent market. This is just another case of General Manager Mark Shapiro being true to his sensible shoes because he knows the household budget won't allow for Italian loafers.

If Marte's high ceiling looks reachable in a year or two - he'll start in Class AAA Buffalo this season - trading Crisp for him won't haunt Shapiro any more than trading pitcher Bartolo Colon does these days. Then again, is this a good time to mention infielder Brandon Phillips?

Crisp had the look of a fourth outfielder when he arrived. He proved that label wrong. He produced. I don't see a future All-Star in him, but he's only 26. Where exactly his production comes from in an outfield already weak in right is the main problem with trading him.

The rest of the trouble stems from the echo of ownership saying it would add to the major-league cause when the time was right.

They had no problem suggesting fans should see the time was right to storm the turnstiles last season. Well, a 93-win season seems like a pretty good time to keep it together, too, but instead, training camp will open with a significant subtraction.

This deal would have gone down easier for people if it were made back in the head-rolling days when the Indians decided they couldn't contend and rebuild at the same time.

But that's (supposedly) over. Crisp's arrival was part of the rebuild. Now, he's going for another prospect while the team wants people to believe they're big-time players in and out of season.

When Crisp came to Cleveland, he told the story of his father, a boxer, who got hit so hard one night he saw hamburgers instead of stars. Crisp said his dad took that as a suggestion to open a restaurant.

Judging the mood here, people think the Dolans should sell the team and open a burger joint, too.

I don't believe this was a money deal. The Indians see left field as a power spot in the lineup, the same way they see third base. Marte should be one fit.

Crisp never wowed me. I'd be surprised if he made Red Sox fans forget Johnny Damon. It would be even more surprising if Michaels made people here forget Crisp.

So it really comes down to Marte. And - as for answering that question - wait 'till next year.

Now, where have you heard that before?

To reach this Plain Dealer columnist:

[email protected], 216-999-5639
 
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this is bullshit...our corner outfielders are now close to being worst in the league.........but wait, theres hope, now we may trade jake westbrook for austin kearns..that would be awesome, austin had one of the hottest bats in the league last year, and he hardly ever strikes out.....this offseason has been one of the best ever in the tribe's history
 
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Shapiro explains himself a little...

http://cleveland.indians.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20060128&content_id=1302639&vkey=news_cle&fext=.jsp&c_id=cle

CLEVELAND -- Show a little faith, Tribe fans.

That's general manager Mark Shapiro's plea in the wake of a rather unpopular move that sent outfielder Coco Crisp to the Red Sox on Friday night.
"Bear with me, hang in there and trust we have a very bright future in '06 and beyond," was Shapiro's message to fans during a conference call with reporters Saturday morning.
The call represented Shapiro's first public comments on the long-speculated and finally completed deals that sent Crisp, David Riske and Josh Bard to the Red Sox for reliever Guillermo Mota, third base prospect Andy Marte, catching prospect Kelly Shoppach, a player to be named later and cash, and Arthur Rhodes to the Phillies for outfielder Jason Michaels.
When news of the deals first leaked in Boston newspapers last weekend, fans here were venomous in their calls to local sports talk radio stations.
Many saw the trade of the enigmatic Crisp for a package littered with prospects as more of a rebuilding move than a trade that would push the Indians into the playoffs this coming season.
Shapiro said he doesn't see it that way at all.
"I would hope that we've built up some trust through our decisions over the last three years," Shapiro said. "There have been a lot of other times we've made decisions people have been frustrated by, but we were a very good team last year, and we're going to be a very good team this year."
The Indians, according to Shapiro, never deliberately set out to trade Crisp, though teams certainly came through with some tempting offers over the last few months.
What put the Red Sox over the edge was the inclusion of Marte, generally regarded as one of the game's top prospects, and Mota, whom Shapiro feels can be the Tribe's eighth-inning setup man.
"We had some very attractive prospect deals [offered for Crisp], but none we would have ever traded him for," Shapiro said. "And certainly none that fit our short- and long-term plan the way this one does."
In the short term, Marte heads to Triple-A Buffalo, and Aaron Boone continues to get the start at third base.
But Shapiro said he feels the 22-year-old Marte, who hit .275 with 20 home runs and 74 RBIs for Triple-A Richmond in the Braves' farm system last season, will be big-league ready in the near future -- most likely by the end of the season.
"His defense is Major League-ready," Shapiro said of Marte. "We'd still like to see him develop a more effective two-strike approach. He is not Major League-ready now, but he's very near Major League-ready."
The deal with Boston nearly fell apart when Mota reported to Cleveland for a physical Tuesday, and the Indians voiced some concerns to the Red Sox about the status of the right-hander's arm.
Boston sweetened the pot by including extra cash and a player to be named later as insurance for Mota, who missed significant time at the end of last season with a weak shoulder.
The Indians think Mota, if healthy, will be a fine replacement for Rhodes in the eighth inning.
"We've always liked Mota," Shapiro said. "There was some cause for concern in the medical and with last year's issues, so we took pre-emptive action and did some restructuring in the trade to mitigate some of our risk."
Shapiro said the Red Sox were reluctant to part with Shoppach, and that several teams are interested in acquiring the 25-year-old catcher, who hit .253 with 26 home runs and 75 RBIs for Triple-A Pawtucket last year.
"He's one of the best catching prospects in the Minor Leagues, and he led the International League in throwing out [44 percent of his] runners last year," Shapiro said. "If he's on our big-league club this year, he can give us great comfort in resting [Victor Martinez] or playing Vic at first base."
The Indians expect Shoppach to compete with Einar Diaz in Spring Training for the backup catcher's job. Shapiro also hinted that Shoppach could be dealt to another club.
"He has been sought after, and if there's not a fit for him here, [trading Shoppach is] a possibility as well," Shapiro said.
The Indians had internal discussions about making the deal with the Phillies, regardless of how the Crisp trade talks panned out, in order to have Michaels in line for the right field job. Ultimately though, the club would not have dealt Rhodes away without getting a veteran reliever in return.
But with both deals done, the left field job is now Michaels' to lose, Shapiro said. The 29-year-old Michaels, who had a .399 on-base percentage while platooning in center field with Kenny Lofton last season, is also expected to take Crisp's spot in the No. 2 hole in the batting order.
Shapiro addressed Michaels' July fight with a Philadelphia policeman, which recently earned him six months of probation and 100 hours of community service.
"To say we did background checks on this guy would be an understatement," Shapiro said. "We found, unequivocally, he's a great teammate and a great guy in clubhouse. We looked at the incident and the police report, and it's my understanding there was not a very good case [against Michaels]. The prosecution did not move forward. It was an isolated incident, and one he feels bad about. We've very comfortable about this pickup."
Shapiro is equally comfortable losing Crisp, who has always been deemed as a more natural center fielder than left fielder.
"One of the parts of this equation, which can't be looked at by any one facet, is that Coco and [Grady Sizemore] have similar skill sets and a similar primary position," Shapiro said. "We're certainly excited about Grady in center field. That makes [Crisp's] value to another team greater than his value to us, and we like him a lot."
Shapiro said he pushed to ensure he was getting a fair value in return for the popular Crisp, and the Red Sox pushed equally hard in their pursuit.
"It was," Shapiro said, "too much to turn down." Anthony Castrovince is a reporter for MLB.com. This story was not subject to the approval of Major League Baseball or its clubs.
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1/29/06

Crisp deal helpful in long term

Marte's rise in minors looks lot like Peralta's

By Terry Pluto

<!-- begin body-content -->If you're a Boston Red Sox fan, you're going to love the Coco Crisp deal. He'll be your center fielder for years. He'll hit .300. He'll play with the unique combination of a slight chip on his shoulder and a smile on his face.
Tribe fans didn't just fall in love with Crisp because he's named Coco.
He can play, and the Indians would be wise to say nothing negative about the outfielder they just shipped to Boston for prospects Andy Marte and Kelly Shoppach and veteran pitcher Guillermo Mota.
There also is some cash in this deal (probably $1 million) and possibly a player to be named later.
Crisp will be missed, and that's why most Tribe fans will hate it. In addition to that .300 average, Crisp supplied 42 doubles, 16 homers, 69 RBI and 15 steals and he'll only be 26 on Opening Day.
The problem with the deal is most of the risk rests with the Indians.
But if I'm sitting in Mark Shapiro's office, I make the trade because this can be another Joe Carter deal.
Remember when Carter was the Tribe's best player, and he was shipped to the San Diego Padres for a couple of prospects named Sandy Alomar Jr. and Carlos Baerga? Most of the risk rested with the Indians, but that trade sparked a revival.
Marte could be the team's starting third baseman by midseason, if Aaron Boone falters. Baseball America rates Marte as Boston's top prospect, and No. 9 in all of baseball. His career is much like that of Tribe shortstop Jhonny Peralta. He's always been one of the youngest players at each of his minor-league stops, yet performed well.
The most impressive thing about Marte is not that he hit .275 with 20 homers and 74 RBI in 389 at-bats at Class AAA in 2005. Or that Baseball America named him the International League's best fielding third baseman.
It's that he did all this at the age of 21.
If you put pro scouts in a room and asked them to pick any minor-league third baseman who is big-league ready and has a chance to be a star, most would select Marte, who turned 22 at the end of October.
Maybe Boone will bounce back from his disappointing 2005 season (.243, 16 home runs, 60 RBI). But if he doesn't, the Indians now have an alternative. Marte is ready now, and certainly will be ready later.
Improved at catcher
Not much is being said about Shoppach, a 25-year-old catcher who hit .253 with 26 homers and 75 RBI in 371 Class AAA at-bats. The Indians insist he's a solid receiver, noting he threw out 44 percent of stealing base runners. At the minimum, he gives the Indians a stronger backup to Victor Martinez than Josh Bard, who was shipped to Boston along with reliever David Riske.
Another possibility is Martinez finally playing some first base, with Shoppach going behind the plate. Shoppach also has decent trade value, as he's hit 47 homers in his past two Class AAA seasons.
Baseball America rates Shoppach as Boston's No. 7 prospect.
Is it possible one of these guys will turn into Brandon Phillips or Ted Cox? Sometimes a player is labeled by scouts as can't miss, only they do miss. Of course, this could happen.
But unlike the Bartolo Colon trade, where the Indians obtained Cliff Lee, Grady Sizemore and Phillips, the two players coming from the Red Sox all have extensive Class AAA experience. The prospects from the Montreal Expos in the Colon deal were in Class AA and below.
Most of the key prospects the Indians have obtained in trades have performed. Their names are Travis Hafner, Lee, Sizemore and Crisp. Since the disastrous Robbie Alomar trade to the New York Mets (which was lousy for both teams), the Indians have improved their evaluation of young players.
So why would Boston trade these kids?
Because the Red Sox don't worry much about prospects. They lost center fielder Johnny Damon to the New York Yankees. They need to win now, and they were desperate for someone to replace Damon.
Fans don't like it, but the Red Sox play a different game than the Tribe. Prospects will be the key to the Tribe staying in contention, and top players will be used in deals to bring more prospects. It's how the Oakland A's have stayed competitive on a modest budget.
What about Mota?
The other player in the deal is Mota, who had two strong seasons with the Los Angeles Dodgers as a setup reliever in 2003 and 2004. He had some arm problems last year. Maybe he'll come back this season, maybe he won't.
I feel better about the Indians' chances of finding a couple of strong relievers from the young talent pool of Fernando Cabrera, Andrew Brown and a now healthy Matt Miller than counting heavily on Mota.
The lingering question is who will replace Crisp in left field?
The Indians shipped veteran reliever Arthur Rhodes to the Philadelphia Phillies for Jason Michaels. Those who are from the ``Moneyball'' school of talent evaluation love players such as Michaels, because they have a high on-base percentage.
In the case of Michaels, it's nearly the magic number of .400.
Michaels will be 30 in May. The Indians say he can play right or left field, and that he would have seen more action in Philadelphia, only he was stuck behind power hitters Pat Burrell and Bobby Abreu.
That could be true.
Or it might be that Michaels is a very good part-time player. He hit .304 with four homers and 31 RBI in 105 games. He's a .285 career hitter in the majors, .323 vs. lefties and .277 vs. righties. Unlike Crisp, he has yet to prove he can be an effective everyday player.
But I'd trade Rhodes for him even if the Indians had Crisp. He is the type of disciplined contact hitter that the team needs. Rhodes is coming off a season where he had knee problems at the end, and he's still dealing with a major illness in his immediate family.
Some fans will look at these trades and decide it's simply about saving money, and the Indians certainly did cut their payroll. But it's very possible they'll keep shopping.
For now, the Austin Kearns/Jake Westbrook talks with the Cincinnati Reds seem to be in a coma, but that was the case with the Crisp deal for much of last week.
Suppose the Indians come out of this with power-hitting right fielder Kearns and then perhaps sign free agent Jeff Weaver to the rotation to replace Westbrook. The team would look stronger. A Scott Boras client, the 14-game winner Weaver would sign a one-year deal like Kevin Millwood in 2005.
Even if those moves fail to materialize, the Crisp trade is one that will hurt now, but could feel much better to fans by the end of the season.
 
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1/30/06

Posted on Mon, Jan. 30, 2006
Love affair with Coco clear, but trade good

By Terry Pluto

<!-- begin body-content -->Scribbles in my notebook about the Coco Crisp trade...
• It's easy to understand why so many Tribe fans are upset about the deal. Crisp is a determined, underrated player who batted .300 with 62 extra-base hits and 69 RBI. Boston Red Sox fans will love the guy. The trade helps the Red Sox more than the Indians in the short run. When the games meant the most after Sept. 1, Crisp hit .331 with six homers and 16 RBI.
• Something else about Crisp -- the fans love him for his name (Coco), his hustle, his ability to make fans identify with him because he has been an underdog throughout his career. His bobblehead day was the Tribe's most popular last season. The Indians continue to have a tough time selling tickets, and this won't help.
• As my wife said when she first heard the rumor, ``Not Coco!'' Bet some of you had the same reaction. One of my gifts to her for our 28th wedding anniversary was a Coco bobblehead. It's the only bobblehead she ever wanted.
• That's why it would have been easy to rip the trade. But I support it because the Indians are still in the building process, despite winning 93 games last year. They desperately need a third baseman, and Andy Marte is supposed to be the best third-base prospect in the minors. Obviously, the deal will depend upon Marte. It will be good no matter what for the Red Sox. It pays off for the Tribe only if Marte comes through.
• Watching Crisp get traded is tough because fans want to have favorite players, but so few stay with the same team for very long -- and not just in Cleveland. Boston fans loved Johnny Damon, but he jumped to the New York Yankees for bigger money. Over and over, I just keep thinking that it's hard to be a fan in the era of modern sports.
• General Manager Mark Shapiro is trying to keep the Indians a contender on a team payroll that might rise to $55 million, but that total still remains in the bottom 25 percent of baseball. To win, a team needs to keep acquiring top prospects on the verge of the majors who have a chance to become stars. Designated hitter Travis Hafner was an example as he was stuck in Class AAA with the Texas Rangers.
• I agree with Shapiro when he says that a popular player will draw some fans, ``but it's winning that sells tickets. That's the real bottom line.'' Just think if the Indians had first baseman Jim Thome making $15 million on their $55 million payroll. They'd be lucky to draw 1.5 million fans, because he has been hurt, and the team would have even less money than it does now.
• Yes, the trade is related to team ownership and spending, but the fact is that Shapiro is trying to make the best of what remains a tight budget. The Oakland A's operate much the same way, as they have traded off several big names for prospects over the past few years to stay in contention.
• Marte has been named the top defensive third baseman in his league in each of his first four seasons in the minors. At 21, he hit .275 with 20 homers, 74 RBI in 389 Class AAA at-bats. I've been hearing from fans that the Indians need to find a third baseman. That's what this trade is all about, addressing third base.
• The Indians say they remain committed to starting the season with Aaron Boone, but they know the veteran is not a long-term answer. Boone was coming off knee surgery and had missed all of 2004. He played awful early in 2005, batting only .151 heading into June. He began to hit in the summer months but he struggled down the stretch, hitting only .220 in 100 at-bats after Sept. 1. He looked tired.
• Boone played 143 games (too many), hitting .243 with 16 homers and 60 RBI. His on-base percentage was .299. Maybe Boone will return to the form of 2002-2003 where he averaged 24 homers and 90 RBI. If he continues to struggle, Marte should be ready.
• The Indians believe that it will be easier to find a left fielder than a third baseman. Jason Michaels gets the job for now, but the Indians have Brad Snyder coming, and that could be soon. By 2007, they believe that he'll be starting in left or right field. Snyder divided the year between Class A Kinston and the Class-AA Aeros, hitting 22 homers and leading all Tribe minor-leaguers with 82 RBI while batting .279.
• Snyder's big challenge at Class AAA Buffalo will be to cut down on his strikeouts. He had 158 in 513 at-bats. Those numbers aren't as bad as another long ago prospect's, Russell Branyan's, were, but they're not good.
• In the past three years, Michaels has hit .330, .274 and .304. He never has had more than 299 at-bats, though, and mostly played against left-handers. No one knows if he'll be close to a .300 hitter if he plays full time -- as he is projected to do with the Indians. He certainly looks like a solid, disciplined hitter who can help the next few years, even if it's just coming off the bench.
• Last year, Michaels platooned with Kenny Lofton in center field for the Philadelphia Phillies. He can play all three outfield positions. The knock on him is a lack of power. In 808 big league at-bats, he has 21 homers, 49 doubles and 100 RBI with a .380 on-base percentage.
• The trade of a 36-year-old Arthur Rhodes for Michaels makes sense any time. Rhodes only pitched 9 1/3 innings after the All-Star break and is still dealing with family problems. He also had an inflammation problem in his knee.
• No one says so, but manager Eric Wedge lost some degree of confidence in David Riske. Traded to the Red Sox along with Crisp, Riske didn't have a ``hold'' all season. That statistic means a pitcher was brought into a game and held a lead. Usually, Riske was used when the Indians were behind. While his ERA was a solid 3.10, he allowed 11 homers in 73 2/3 innings. True, he gave up only 55 hits. I have no real objections to Riske being in the deal.
• Shapiro correctly said the major loss for the bullpen this year is not Riske or Rhodes, it's Bob Howry. The Chicago Cubs signed him for three years and $12 million. The Indians talk about using Guillermo Mota in that eighth-inning spot. I'd prefer the emerging Fernando Cabrera. This kid could be the closer of the future. If Mota proves to be healthy, that would be great, but the Indians should not count on him.
 
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