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Indians Tidbits (2006 season)..

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CLEVELAND -- General manager Mark Shapiro flew to the Caribbean to get away for a few days. He came back to the United States on Sunday night to find word of his private trade talks spreading like wildfire. "That was a heck of a time to go on vacation," Shapiro told reporters at Jacobs Field on Monday afternoon.
Indeed, because when Shapiro landed back in Cleveland, his voicemail and e-mail inboxes were flooded with interview requests.
Widespread reports have the Indians sending popular outfielder Coco Crisp and two low-level prospects to the Red Sox for reliever Guillermo Mota and third-base project Andy Marte. Right-hander Manny Delcarmen is also rumored to be in the mix.
The club is also expected to make a second deal with the Phillies by sending a reliever -- possibly Arthur Rhodes, David Riske or Mota -- to Philadelphia for outfielder Jason Michaels.
Though several sources have confirmed the involved clubs have had serious discussions, neither deal is complete or 100 percent certain of happening. Physicals must be completed by any players involved.
So without a firm deal in place, Shapiro made it clear he would not be discussing the situation directly.
"When there's something to announce, I'll speak freely and openly about it," he said. "We're in constant conversations with other clubs about trades. Sometimes [the discussions] leak out, but most times they don't."
Given the private nature with which Shapiro prefers to do his business, his words reflected disappointment that wind of the trade conversations had been picked up nationally.
"It's not efficient to do business that way," Shapiro said, "and it's disrespectful to the players."
With that, Shapiro turned the floor over to manager Eric Wedge, who will be taking part in the team's Winter Caravan all week.
Wedge was equally evasive about the trade rumors, and he refused to speculate how the moves would affect the lineup.
Wedge did, however, refute the notion that the potential trades would seem to benefit the Indians more in the long term than the short.
"Anything we do, we want it to be positive for this year and beyond," he said. "We're not doing anything that will have an ill effect on this year. We're not going to take any steps back."

For the Indians, the trade with the Red Sox would address one of the organization's few areas of weakness in the farm system. The Tribe is without a legitimate third-base prospect, and Aaron Boone is only under contract through 2006, though the club does have a mutual option with Boone for 2007.
The 22-year-old Marte, who hit .275 with 20 home runs and 74 RBIs for Triple-A Richmond and saw 24 games of action with the Braves last season, has been listed by some publications as one of the top prospects in all of baseball, though he's not expected to be Major League ready for the opening of the 2006 season.
In Michaels, the Indians would be getting a player who has never had an everyday job in the big leagues. Michaels, who shared time with Kenny Lofton in center field last year, hit .304 with four homers and 31 RBIs and a .399 on-base percentage in 105 games.
Mota went 2-2 with a 4.70 ERA and two saves for the Marlins last season and missed several weeks of the season with a sore right elbow and sore right shoulder.
Though the Indians had reportedly been talking to Crisp, who is eligible for arbitration, about a multiyear contract, no deal has been made with him for the 2006 season.
As talk of the potential trades continues to filter around town and around the country, the Indians' only official reaction is one of disappointment that their private trade talks had leaked.
"Out of respect to the players, you want to keep things close to the vest," Wedge said. "It's unfortunate that anything is out there."
 
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"I like Andy Marte’s bat a lot," said a scout from an American League team.

"However, he is not Coco Crisp, in that he is not a switch-hitter and plus defender with . . . the power to develop into All-Star status.

"I would keep Crisp at all costs."

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Anyone else remember that inside-the-parker he had last year against (I think) Kansas City? Made it around the bags in like 10.5 seconds. Electric.
 
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Boston had to find a center fielder...
I'm sure they asked for Grady Sizemore...
I heard that answer here in Princeton...

Grady is planted in center for the next decade...
Crisp's best position is center...

I don't think money had any bearing on this one...

Whether I like the trade or not.. it appears as if it was fair for both sides...
but I have a GREAT insider I'll ask... if I can get a hold of him...

PS If Corey Smith from Piscataway NJ would have panned out.. we wouldn't have made this trade... was very unfair of MLB to rule that Corey couldn't wear catchers gear when he was at third.. they obviously didn't care about his well being
 
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Rotoworld is reporting the Crisp to Boston deal hit a snag due Guillermo Mota failing his physical.

Rumors are that Boston will replace Mota with Manny Declarmen in the deal. It's also possible that David Riske could be taken out of the trade.
 
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As an Atlanta fan I must say that something must have been fishy with the Marte deal. Boston stated that they expected him to be their 3rd baseman this year. I watched Marte last year, and think he is a year or two from the Bigs. Keep in mind that Atlanta doesn't trade away their young guys if they are stars....unless it's for money.......and Marte wasn't about money.
 
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My opinions...
The cornerstones of what looks to be a promising future are Grady, Pronk, Martinez, Peralta, C.C., Westbrook and Lee. All others are expendable for future improvement. I love the way Coco plays, but I don't see him becoming much more than what he has done the past two seasons... .300-17-75-20. If you can get a potential star 3B for him, go for it. We will never see another lineup like the mid-late nineties, but with the top 3 in the rotation, and a solid BP this could be a more complete team. I know we had some solid pitching at times with those nineties teams, but these guys are much younger and will improve. I think Lee may end up being one of the better lefties in the game. Shapiro has done a great job of building us back into contention without breaking the bank (Hello Jack McDowell), and I trust that he knows what he's doing.
 
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I love the way Coco plays, but I don't see him becoming much more than what he has done the past two seasons... .300-17-75-20.

.300-17-75-20 is far from mediocre. If that's your leadoff hitter, you're in damn good shape.

Coco
Jhonny
Grady
Pronk
Vic
Ronnie

looks better to me than

Grady
Ronnie
Jhonny
Pronk
Vic
That guy from the Phillies who is on six months' probation and has been ordered to complete 100 hours of community service for fighting a Philadelphia police officer last year. Cool guy.
 
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.300-17-75-20 is far from mediocre. If that's your leadoff hitter, you're in damn good shape.
Don't get me wrong, I love those numbers and Coco...but I feel that he is an expendable piece. If you can add a potential star 3B* to a lineup that already includes Pronk, Martinez, Peralta and Grady...then I'm all for it. I think you could slot Grady as a leadoff hitter if he can develop a little more patience at the plate, and get a #2 through FA or another trade and you are set. May be a moot point as the trade appears to have fallen through. I'm fine with that, I like Coco, I jut would not have been overly upset with a trade.

*read Daddyphatsacs and Billmac 91 posts above, he may have a very good point there. I still would not be terribly upset about this trade if it would (would have) happened.
 
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1/25/06

Crisp trade apparently off

Tribe's three-team deal hits snag when Boston's Mota fails physical

By Sheldon Ocker

Beacon Journal sportswriter

<!-- begin body-content -->CLEVELAND - Apparently, the Indians will have to start all over again if they want to consummate a deal for Boston Red Sox third-base prospect Andy Marte and Philadelphia Phillies outfielder Jason Michaels.
A source with close ties to the Phillies revealed that Red Sox reliever Guillermo Mota failed a physical in Cleveland on Tuesday, an exam that presumably was the last step in a three-team trade that would have sent Tribe left fielder Coco Crisp, reliever David Riske and backup catcher Josh Bard to Boston in exchange for Marte, Mota and novice catcher Kelly Shoppach.
In the Philadelphia portion of the transaction, Arthur Rhodes was to be shipped to the Phillies in exchange for Michaels, who would have taken the place of Crisp in the Indians' outfield.
According to a baseball operative in Philadelphia, the Indians called with the news that Mota had flunked his physical and said, ``The deal is dead.''
Apparently, he was referring to both parts of the swap.
Tribe officials maintained their silence on the matter. All along, they have refused to reveal any information about the trade, or even that there were ongoing talks with the Red Sox and Phillies.
``I can't comment on anything,'' said assistant general manager Chris Antonetti, when asked on Tuesday if Mota had failed his physical.
Asked if the trade was still alive, Antonetti spoke only in generalities, saying: ``We're still talking about a number of different things. That's the extent of it.''
Antonetti was not commenting on any specific deal but routine talks between franchises that go on all the time.
It was not clear whether the trade with the Red Sox could be revived by removing Riske from the deal to compensate for the loss of Mota to the Tribe.
However, as of Tuesday night, that did not seem likely.
Mota, who pitched in the Florida Marlins' bullpen last year, missed time both with a sore elbow and a shoulder injury.
However, as part of a trade to Boston, he passed a physical given by Red Sox doctors.
And despite the two injuries, Mota appeared in 56 games and pitched 67 innings, compiling a 2-2 record and 4.70 ERA.
In a sidebar to the proposed trades, there was a report out of Cincinnati that the Reds had turned down a deal that would have sent Tribe starter Jake Westbrook to the National League club in exchange for power outfielder Austin Kearns.
 
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1/25/06

Baseball: Agent says Mota is fine

Wednesday, January 25, 2006



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CLEVELAND - Agent Adam Katz, who represents relief pitcher Guillermo Mota, denied Tuesday night that his client had failed a physical and killed a proposed trade that would send Indians outfielder Coco Crisp to Boston for third-base prospect Andy Marte.
Katz told the Boston Globe, however, that the Indians have expressed concern about the condition of Mota’s right shoulder. He said the acquiring team in a trade is “allowed to have higher standards.”
“He’s working his tail off and will be fine for whichever team he’s pitching for,” Katz said.
Mota was in Cleveland on Tuesday for an exam of his shoulder and elbow. He missed five weeks of the 2005 season with elbow inflammation. Shoulder inflammation sidelined him for two weeks in September. The rumor that Mota had failed his physical came from a Philadelphia radio station and also was reported by The Associated Press late Tuesday evening. The Indians were expected to trade left-hander Arthur Rhodes to Philadelphia for outfielder Jason Michaels. The Globe reported that Marte, Mota and catching prospect Kelly Shoppach were to be sent to Cleveland for Crisp, relief pitcher David Riske and backup catcher Josh Bard.
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michaels from philly has a higher OBP than Crisp. He would be better suited to hit leadoff than crisp.

crisp is a tweener. he isnt going to give you the pop at the plate you want from a traditional LF. He isnt a good fit at the leadoff spot. He's a good ballplayer, but he isnt the cornerstone of any franchise. plus, he throws like lamar from revenge of the nerds.
 
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