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Game Thread Indiana @ Ohio State - 10/06/18, 4:00PM (FOX)

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Telekinesis said:
This right here. And before anyone starts talking about how this team would never beat Bama playing like this...

They just gave up 31 to Arkansas. CO State and North Texas, both of which beat Arkansas, didn’t give up that many points to them. The competition that they’ve faced up to this point is also incredibly inferior. They don’t have a top 10 nor a top 15 win.

That’s the cold hard truth about the #1 team in the nation right now that everyone is drooling over. I’m here to tell you, they have issues and are very beatable.

One game at a time.

So now that the facts are on full display...

Best thing about being 6-0?
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IDC who Bama has played, or their strength. I've seen Bama curb stomp and shut down every team that they've faced! Bama was up 42-14 at the HALF against Arkansas, they scored 31 because of 2 garbage time TDs, it was never in jeopardy. And I have yet to see them give up huge yards to opposing teams on a single play like our defense consistently does. Hate to say it, but we're not on their level this year as a whole. Our defense would not be able to keep up with them, and I would see a similar fate to when Clemson embarrassed us in the CFP. I'm not trying to be the uber negative OSU fan, just facing facts after watching this defense give up huge plays to literally every single team that we've faced this year, whether they were strong competition or not. LBs missing assignments or out of place, Safeties taking bad angles, and not having a consistent pass rush, besides our CBs getting beat bad. We can certainly win the rest of our games and get into the CFP, and I could see us beating anyone in the country not named ALabama. I'm sure part of yesterday had to do with being on yet another emotional high from the Ped St game, but my god, Ramsey looked like Elway out there, and there's only so much Haskins and Co. can do, we're going to need to start stopping people and playing better fundamentally
 
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pnuts34 said:
IDC who Bama has played, or their strength. I've seen Bama curb stomp and shut down every team that they've faced! Bama was up 42-14 at the HALF against Arkansas, they scored 31 because of 2 garbage time TDs, it was never in jeopardy. And I have yet to see them give up huge yards to opposing teams on a single play like our defense consistently does. Hate to say it, but we're not on their level this year as a whole. Our defense would not be able to keep up with them, and I would see a similar fate to when Clemson embarrassed us in the CFP. I'm not trying to be the uber negative OSU fan, just facing facts after watching this defense give up huge plays to literally every single team that we've faced this year, whether they were strong competition or not. LBs missing assignments or out of place, Safeties taking bad angles, and not having a consistent pass rush, besides our CBs getting beat bad. We can certainly win the rest of our games and get into the CFP, and I could see us beating anyone in the country not named ALabama. I'm sure part of yesterday had to do with being on yet another emotional high from the Ped St game, but my god, Ramsey looked like Elway out there, and there's only so much Haskins and Co. can do, we're going to need to start stopping people and playing better fundamentally
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Sorry, people were saying the same thing in 2014. Didn’t buy it then and don’t buy it now. Giving up 31 is not a curb stomp, regardless of when or how it happened. Arkansas is hot garbage and they’ve faced even hotter garbage that didn’t allow them 31 on the board. The other teams they’ve curb stomped? Feel free to point them out, because they’re all a joke. They’ve faced 0 great teams this year.

I’ll give them a nod when they earn it. We’ll see.

I understand the Clemson game stings, but that team was insanely talented and I was prepared for the loss. Can’t say the same about this year’s Bama team. Too much hype with no quality wins.
 
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OHIO STATE DEFENSE LEFT SEARCHING FOR CONSISTENCY, IMPROVEMENT AFTER “C-MINUS” PERFORMANCE VERSUS INDIANA

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Neither Urban Meyer nor Chase Young could help themselves from comparing Indiana quarterback Peyton Ramsey to Trace McSorley, the Penn State quarterback who did seemingly whatever he wanted against Ohio State last week.

The Buckeyes certainly didn’t imagine that Ramsey would follow up McSorley’s career-best 461-yard performance with a career-high game against them on Saturday. That’s exactly what he did, though, going 26-of-49 for 322 yards, the most in the redshirt sophomore signal-caller’s career. In his team’s 49-26 loss, Ramsey also tossed three touchdowns. He did not throw throw an interception for just the second time in six starts this season.

“We're not coaching well enough and we're not playing well enough right now for the standards of Ohio State defense,” defensive coordinator Greg Schiano said. “There's a lot of things that go into that, but it's our job to fix it, and that's what's going to happen. We're going to fix it.”

The defensive concerns wouldn’t be nearly as worrisome for the Buckeyes had similar issues not arisen in their prior games.

Oregon State, which has just one win this season, dropped 31 points on Ohio State. Two weeks later, TCU running back Darius Anderson took a carry 93 yards for the longest run against the Buckeyes in program history. Penn State wideout K.J. Hamler caught a 93-yard touchdown, the longest pass ever versus Ohio State, just two weeks after Anderson’s record-breaking play.

Indiana didn’t need any 90-yard plays to dice up Ohio State’s shaky defense.

Ramsey hit nine passes between 10 and 19 yards and succeeded going downfield a few times, tossing four completions for at least 30 yards. He spread the ball around, tossing passes to nine different receivers, and two wideouts – J-Shun Harris and Nick Westbrook – each had at least five catches and 100 receiving yards.

“At times we played outstanding. But the big hits, and we're a man coverage team. So we've got to keep evaluating,” Urban Meyer said. “But some of those weren't even on man coverage. So we just have to keep working at it. I trust our staff. I trust our players. We're banged up a little bit. And we've got to fight through it. But got to play better.”

Ramsey, typically a dual-threat quarterback, rushed for just 10 yards, and Indiana had just 21 rushes compared to 49 passes. For all the issues Ohio State had in stopping the pass, it shut down the run, which forced the Hoosiers into a one-dimensional offense.

“We've been fine against the run, but the pass has been killing us and that's going to bite us,” Meyer said. “Something we've got to get fixed.”

The Buckeyes couldn’t take advantage of the discrepancy, though. Meyer said it was something he hadn’t seen against the defense the entire season.

“It didn't really snap at us like it did today,” Meyer said. “Penn State, guys made some plays on us. But today we really felt it. I felt it. That first half was awful.”

All three cornerbacks in the rotation – Jeffrey Okudah, Kendall Sheffield and Damon Arnette – found themselves in bad positions at times and gave up long gains. Even Jordan Fuller, arguably the most indispensable player on the defense due to Ohio State’s lack of depth at safety, seemed out of position at times.

Entire article: https://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio...ment-after-c-minus-performance-versus-indiana
 
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THREE KEY STATS: OHIO STATE WON THE WAR ON FOURTH DOWN, LOST THE TURNOVER BATTLE, AND ALMOST HAD A RECORD-SETTING PASSING DAY IN THEIR WIN AGAINST INDIANA.

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For a little bit there, it seemed as if Indiana could potentially walk away from the Shoe with their first win against Ohio State since 1988.

Any possibility of such an unexpected outcome was squashed early in the fourth quarter after Dwayne Haskins delivered a perfectly lofted 17 yard touchdown pass to Terry McLaurin in the back corner of the end zone. It was all Buckeyes from that point on with the Scarlet and Gray picking up a 49-26 win over Indiana.

How did Ohio State come out on top? Here are three key statistics that led to the Buckeyes victory on Saturday.

OHIO STATE: 3-4 ON 4TH DOWN, INDIANA: 1-3 ON 4TH DOWN

This was a gutsy game, with both teams opting to go for it on fourth down multiple times relatively early in the game. Indiana started the trend with a failed fourth down attempt midway through the first quarter on the Ohio State 29-yard line. OSU took note of this, and mastered the trend with multiple 4th-and-1 conversions. The only fourth down converted by Indiana was also a 4th-and-1 late in the third quarter, which ultimately resulted in a touchdown for the Hoosiers.

The Buckeye ability to keep drives alive was critical to their success in this matchup. All three Ohio State fourth down conversions ultimately resulted in a Buckeye touchdown. For those not keeping count, that is a total of 21 points as a result of fourth down conversions. While OSU would still technically have come out on top without those points, it would have been a much poorer showing from the Scarlet and Gray.

HOOSIERS WIN THE TURNOVER BATTLE, BUCKEYES WIN THE WAR

A large reason that the game was so close for so long was turnovers. Ohio State committed three turnovers, with their first possession of the game ending as a result of a Mike Weber fumble. The Buckeyes would go on to turn the ball over two more times, both as a result of Dwayne Haskins interceptions. The first interception came midway through the second quarter, and the second came late in the third. However, the defense was able to rise to the challenge, only allowing Indiana to score points off one of the Ohio State turnovers.

While Indiana did win the turnover battle, they did not manage to stay perfect themselves. The Buckeye defense was able to force two Hoosier fumbles. The first fumble was forced by Tuf Borland and recovered by Jordan Fuller late in the second quarter. The second fumble was forced by Tyreke Smith and recovered by Dre'Mont Jones midway through the third quarter. The Ohio State offense only managed to score off of the first fumble thanks to a seven-yard Dwayne Haskins touchdown pass to Terry McLaurin.

Entire article: https://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio...-to-dwayne-haskins-dominant-performance-in-49
 
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“At times we played outstanding. But the big hits, and we're a man coverage team. So we've got to keep evaluating,” Urban Meyer said. “But some of those weren't even on man coverage. So we just have to keep working at it. I trust our staff. I trust our players. We're banged up a little bit. And we've got to fight through it. But got to play better.”

I take issue with Meyer here......we are a man coverage team, and in today’s CF world, giving the opposition so much information pre-snap is death.

Teams have the opportunity every passing play to hit the 50/50 ball bc the quarterback and OC, and every person in the stadium, know we are going to be in man coverage on the outside. Opposing teams don’t have any reads to make because they get the same look 95% of the game. I think it’s criminal we don’t mix up our looks and coverages more frequently, to at least force QBs to make decisions and process what they see.

OSU sells aggressive press man coverage and are unabashedly proud of it. I just wish they’d perhaps be a little less stubborn and mix in more zone coverage, especially on the backend (we do run some zone blitz schemes were DE’s occasionally drop and LB’s bring blitz) but when the opposition knows they are getting press man on the outside, it’s a guarantee the 50/50 ball is available and I don’t believe we should give the opposition that “freebie” all game.
 
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Man there’s a lot of bitching in this thread. Beating a solid but not great Indiana team by 23 apparently frustrates people. Like all teams, this team has its strengths and weaknesses. But geez it’s hard to get right with people complaining about yesterday‘s game.

I can only assume that the angst shown here and elsewhere is because of the Bama elephant in the room. Everyone looks at this team and sees that it is not ready to beat Bama. As of games six,that is very likely true. They have some problems on defense too, although perhaps not as bad as ours. And it’s clear that there offense would currently exploit our defensive weaknesses, but fortunately this team is not a finished product. I don’t know whether this team will pull it together enough to win the national championship this year, but my goodness if you cannot enjoy what’s happening here and you might want to reevaluate your priorities and find something easier to gain pleasure from.

We aren’t good enough to beat Bama today and might not be good enough to beat them at the end of the season - if that’s the only measuring stick for your happiness then prepare to be disappointed most of the time.
 
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Buckeye513 said:
They play an FCS team the weekend before the Iron Bowl every year. No one ever says anything about it.
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I say something about it every year. They've been giving them shit for it more recently. Alabama is the most taken care of team in the country. The SEC knows how to schedule their thoroughbred. The BIG...doesn't.

The Big don't give a shit. They would schedule until the end of time if they could. We better figure out how to get over whatever funk we get into after playing Psu. In a hurry too!
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Telekinesis said:
Sorry, people were saying the same thing in 2014. Didn’t buy it then and don’t buy it now. Giving up 31 is not a curb stomp, regardless of when or how it happened. Arkansas is hot garbage and they’ve faced even hotter garbage that didn’t allow them 31 on the board. The other teams they’ve curb stomped? Feel free to point them out, because they’re all a joke. They’ve faced 0 great teams this year.

I’ll give them a nod when they earn it. We’ll see.

I understand the Clemson game stings, but that team was insanely talented and I was prepared for the loss. Can’t say the same about this year’s Bama team. Too much hype with no quality wins.
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How many plays of 80-90yds did the 2014 defense give up(especially to bad teams)?
Bama has curb stomped who they have faced, schedule is the schedule, I'd say the same when/if our schedule was garbage too(and we've had many years like that). Defenses that allow massive chunk plays rarely win NCs.
 
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Football: Ohio State defense struggles with its identity against Indiana

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Indiana redshirt sophomore quarterback Peyton Ramsey did what Richard Lagow did against the Ohio State secondary last season.

After Lagow threw for 410 yards passing with three touchdowns and two interceptions in the 2017 season opener, Ramsey, despite completing 53.1 percent of his passes, threw for a career-high 322 yards passing, throwing three touchdowns.

However, unlike Lagow, who set the tone for something to fix in the second level of the defense, Ramsey continued the problem that has plagued the Ohio State secondary through the first six weeks of the season. The problem that should be the selling point of the Ohio State safeties and corners: press man coverage.

Like many quarterbacks have done to the Ohio State secondary this season, Ramsey beat the defense with the deep ball, completing four passes of 30-plus yards in the game, including three in the first half.

However, the secondary was not only beat using press man on the deep ball.

With Indiana down 15 in the third quarter, Ramsey, facing a 3rd-and-goal at the Ohio State 3-yard line, looked to redshirt junior Donovan Hale in the end zone. Hale was guarded at the line of scrimmage by redshirt junior Kendall Sheffield, who fell to the ground after Hale made a move on him at the start of the play.

With Sheffield on the ground, the safety, sophomore Isaiah Pryor, stepped forward when the ball was hiked, expecting the run. With the bad angle, Pryor was not able to take Sheffield’s spot guarding the slant, allowing Ramsey to hit a wide open Hale for the score.

Defensive coordinator Greg Schiano knows where the troubles in the defense lie.

“I actually think I can narrow it down pretty good. We need to fix it,” Schiano said. “The frustrating part is when you know there is something going on and you are not as successful getting it repaired.”

Entire article: https://www.thelantern.com/2018/10/...-struggles-with-its-identity-against-indiana/
 
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Football: Ohio State’s win over Indiana highlighted strengths and weaknesses

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All season, it has felt like the same storylines have come out of the majority of the games for Ohio State.

It’s about redshirt sophomore quarterback Dwayne Haskins’ stunning weekly performance. It’s about the lack of a run game Ohio State offenses are built around. It’s about the consistently strong defensive line and about secondary that’s vulnerable to long plays.

In Saturday’s 49-26 win over Indiana, most of these storylines continued, but in more dramatic fashion than any game this season.

On Saturday, Haskins had his strongest statistical game of the season, tying the Ohio State record with six touchdown passes, and coming three yards short of the program record for passing yards with 455, completing 33-of-44 attempts in the process.

On Saturday, sophomore running back J.K. Dobbins found more carries in the running game, but averaged 3.2 yards a rush on 26 attempts, while redshirt junior running back Mike Weber, aside from one 21-yard run, averaged just over four yards per carry on the game.

On Saturday, Indiana redshirt sophomore quarterback Peyton Ramsey threw for 322 yards, three touchdowns and no interceptions, completing four passes of more than 30 yards, while the Hoosiers’ running game didn’t break 100 yards, even after starting the day with a 45-yard run by freshman running back Stevie Scott.

On Saturday, it was a typical Ohio State game from this season, but one that brought out all the highs and lows the Buckeyes have dealt with in a more exaggerated fashion.

For head coach Urban Meyer, rating a game like this is more complicated than throwing out a grade.

“How would I rate it? If I’m Parris Campbell, it’s a hell of game. Nine catches, 142 yards. Pass defense pass pressure, rush, no it’s not very good,” Meyer said. “Knocking people off the ball and running the ball I don’t think it’s great. I’ve got to watch the videotape. We’re just not consistent in those areas. Those two areas are the problem child right now.”

Entire article: https://www.thelantern.com/2018/10/...indiana-highlighted-strengths-and-weaknesses/
 
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pnuts34 said:
How many plays of 80-90yds did the 2014 defense give up(especially to bad teams)?
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In the opening game of the 2014 season, Navy (bad team) had a 67-yard run against Ohio State.

Then in game 4, Cincinnati (bad team) had three TD passes of 60+ yards, all to Chris Moore (60, 78, 83 yards).

In game 5, Maryland (bad team) had a 60-yard pass.

In game 8, Illinois (bad team) had a 56-yard pass.

In game 11, Indiana (very bad team) had a 90-yard TD run from Tevin Coleman, plus a 53-yard run from Zander Diamant and a 49-yard pass to Shane Wynn.

In the playoffs, Alabama (very good team) had pass plays of 51 yards and 52 yards.

So the 2014 Buckeyes had basically the exact issues as the 2018 Buckeyes currently have.
 
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LordJeffBuck said:
In the opening game of the 2014 season, Navy (bad team) had a 67-yard run against Ohio State.

Then in game 4, Cincinnati (bad team) had three TD passes of 60+ yards, all to Chris Moore (60, 78, 83 yards).

In game 5, Maryland (bad team) had a 60-yard pass.

In game 8, Illinois (bad team) had a 56-yard pass.

In game 11, Indiana (very bad team) had a 90-yard TD run from Tevin Coleman, plus a 53-yard run from Zander Diamant and a 49-yard pass to Shane Wynn.

In the playoffs, Alabama (very good team) had pass plays of 51 yards and 52 yards.

So the 2014 Buckeyes had basically the exact issues as the 2018 Buckeyes currently have.
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Yeah but back in 2014 this bastard named LordJeff’sButt wrote a column after week 2 about how the B1G was irrelevant again so we had lowered expectations!!! Get with the program buddy!
 
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