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In case you cared what grinds OhioState001's gears

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OSU_Buckguy said:
does this hypothetical include nick's dad dying? and nick's family no longer having a handful of businesses? and nick no longer having a millionaire older brother?
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Sorry didn't realize you had investigated the Bosa's financials and determined that money is available to Nick. So you don't have a problem with Ward sitting out but you would have a problem with Bosa sitting the year out?
 
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OhioState001 said:
Sorry didn't realize you had investigated the Bosa's financials and determined that money is available to Nick. So you don't have a problem with Ward sitting out but you would have a problem with Bosa sitting the year out?
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Only one person here is outraged (hint, it's not us).

Meanwhile you're busy trying to invent equally stupid outrage to hang around other people's neck. No one is dumb enough to put it on, but even if they did, it would only return focus to how absurd the original outrage was from you.
 
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OhioState001 said:
I don't understand. If the concern is losing money due to injury, then the amount of games is irrelevant. If anything you should be arguing for kids that have solidified high draft status to miss as many games as possible to avoid injury. Be consistent now!
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We discussed this last time. The market is determined by what the NFL GM's are willing to let pass in terms of sitting out games.

Right now they say if a kid sits out a Bowl game he is not a quitter/cancer/of questionable character. If a kid sits out more than that, I am sure they will start to give feedback in terms of draft positions.

Until that time, the only "accepted" number of games any kid is going to intentionally sit out is one. His last one and in every case so far, I believe, a non playoff exhibition/Bowl game.

The multiple game sit out doomsday scenario is of your own creation. It isn't real.
 
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Jaxbuck said:
We discussed this last time. The market is determined by what the NFL GM's are willing to let pass in terms of sitting out games.

Right now they say if a kid sits out a Bowl game he is not a quitter/cancer/of questionable character. If a kid sits out more than that, I am sure they will start to give feedback in terms of draft positions.

Until that time, the only "accepted" number of games any kid is going to intentionally sit out is one. His last one and in every case so far, I believe, a non playoff exhibition/Bowl game.

The multiple game sit out doomsday scenario is of your own creation. It isn't real.
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Life is about choices and living with them. Denzel can choose to sit out an exhibition game and risk what it does to his stock. He's a very good player so it does little. If a borderline prospect does that, or one with a history of locker room issues, it may come back to bite him.

Likewise, Nick Bosa can sit out a bowl game all day if it isn't a playoff game. If he chooses to sit out a month or a year, that's his choice. There's a risk involved with playing and with sitting. The latter would likely hurt his draft stock, especially leaving OSU without a steady DE on their roster (Cooper and Young are very talented but both are pretty green).


Life is all about choices. Getting mad at terminally ill children and athletic servants is a way to go. There are consequences for that too.
 
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jwinslow said:
Life is about choices and living with them. Denzel can choose to sit out an exhibition game and risk what it does to his stock. He's a very good player so it does little. If a borderline prospect does that, or one with a history of locker room issues, it may come back to bite him.

Likewise, Nick Bosa can sit out a bowl game all day if it isn't a playoff game. If he chooses to sit out a month or a year, that's his choice. There's a risk involved with playing and with sitting. The latter would likely hurt his draft stock, especially leaving OSU without a steady DE on their roster (Cooper and Young are very talented but both are pretty green).


Life is all about choices. Getting mad at terminally ill children and athletic servants is a way to go. There are consequences for that too.
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In your opinion - and this question could go to the other guys who have taken strong issue with OhioState001's view - would it be reasonable for a school to pull a player's scholarship if the player chooses not to play? Say, pro rated for the time he chooses not to play?
 
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zincfinger said:
In your opinion - and this question could go to the other guys who have taken strong issue with OhioState001's view - would it be reasonable for a school to pull a player's scholarship if the player chooses not to play? Say, pro rated for the time he chooses not to play?
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Given that the school already pulls scholarships every year through no fault of the player's in order to sign more high schoolers, I'd say that would be a dangerous move on the school's part.

If we were talking about a fair market where players were not exploited, restricted and used, then I think it would be a different conversation. It would also involve actual wages and thus more stringent requirements on how to live up to those duties (and lawsuits/consequences for improper termination).
 
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jwinslow said:
Given that the school already pulls scholarships every year through no fault of the player's in order to sign more high schoolers, I'd say that would be a dangerous move on the school's part.

If we were talking about a fair market where players were not exploited, restricted and used, then I think it would be a different conversation. It would also involve actual wages and thus more stringent requirements on how to live up to those duties (and lawsuits/consequences for improper termination).
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Do you think it is accurate to view the scholarship agreement between a player and University as a contractual relationship, and therefore bound by contract law? Putting aside whether you think the alleged contract should, ideally, be more favorable to the player, is that an accurate view of the relationship?

I don't claim to have a clear answer to this; I would want to see the terms of the scholarship agreement before forming a confident opinion.
 
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zincfinger said:
and this question could go to the other guys who have taken strong issue with OhioState001's view
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os001's view appears to be that a handful of players sitting out an exhibition game is just a slippery slope to players sitting out all of their college careers. os001's view is a straw man.

anyway, all of this talk about a certain group of players really misses the point. we're not participating in a thread about a certain group of players. we're participating in a thread about denzel ward. a player... a young man... a son... who lost his father just a couple years ago. a player, a young man, a son who wanted to ensure beyond a shadow of a doubt that his widowed mom would be 100% taken care. these groups of players are groups of individuals. everyone is different. denzel's path ain't mine, yours, os001's, or nick bosa's. judging denzel ward for what he did based on what someone assumes nick bosa may do is foolish and narrow-minded. that, in my opinion, is selfish.
 
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