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IF Michigan stays putrid, how long will it......

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Jaxbuck;1808003; said:
Beat Wisky and it doesn't matter. OSU wasn't dropped from 1 to 9 because of weak competition, they were dropped because they lost.

If you are going with the "best route to a NC" argument then you actually want the B10 as mediocre as possible. Undefeated is the surest route to a BCSNCCG spot, the tamer the conference the better the chances. OSU's name value will buy them the spots in the human polls necessary to overcome a weak SOS as long as they run the table.

As far as the good of the rivalry goes I think people are failing to distinguish between the national perception of the rivalry and the satisfaction borne form being on the winning side of a game vs a team/fanbase you hate.

I concede that a strong scUM team is necessary for a prolonged run as an elite national rivalry but that is a secondary consideration to those of us who don't care what the national perception is. I just hate scUM and their fans, I give a flying [censored] what the rest of the country thinks about it. I want scUM to lose, feel pain and suffer as much as possible. If that hurts the national perception of The Game then so be it.
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any way to sticky this paragraph? brought a tear to my eye...bravo jax!!!

[censored] scum!!!!!!!!!!
 
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One loss seasons with a win over a strong nebraska program on the ccg would go a long way. They also have a rich history of winning against the sec, which will help bolster the reputation if they continue to ascend under Pelini.
 
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jwinslow;1808022; said:
One loss seasons with a win over a strong nebraska program on the ccg would go a long way.
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I agree. I think the Big Ten will start going the way of the SEC--if there is no undefeated Big Ten member, a one-loss Big Ten conference championship game winner will, more likely than not, get the nod in the NCG game.
 
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jwinslow;1808022; said:
One loss seasons with a win over a strong nebraska program on the ccg would go a long way. They also have a rich history of winning against the sec, which will help bolster the reputation if they continue to ascend under Pelini.
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I agree as well...
 
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Saw31;1808015; said:
Unfortunately, it's the second part of my sentence that matters here.

As it stands, only undefeated seasons will get us into the MNC. Or, 1 loss seasons with an extraordinary amount of help. This is not a problem for the SEC. Undefeated seasons are very rare, for any school. If we were about to go on a stretch with PSU, Iowa and M*ch*g*n all being top 15 teams, we would be sitting beautifully. That's not the case however. We are in a position of needing 2 mid-majors to lose ahead of us. 2 mid-fucking-majors! This is not a concern for the SEC, and it shouldn't have to be for us either. We need the rest of this league to pull their weight...
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This is going to get way off track in a hurry but how exactly do you think a stronger conference helps a team that can't beat the one decent team they played?

If the next 3 opponents were top 15 then yes, in theory OSU has a chance to run the table and improve but if they aren't good enough to beat Wisconsin what makes anyone think they'd be good enough to bet 3 ranked teams in a row?

I guess its just a matter of perspective but I don't think OSU is helped by a super strong B10 because I don't think OSU is good enough to roll through a super strong B10 with just 1 loss.

IMO the program has benefited from the FSU late 90's model of sustained success lately, being a semi elite team in a very weak conference and having their big name rival on the seat of their ass.

I'm not saying I'm ok with that but given what it is, I think the best odds of continued BCS Bowl every year level of success are to be found in a continued mediocre B10 with a CCG added for relevancy in the weeks after Thanksgiving.

I'd prefer what you are suggesting, an SEC level conference where 1 loss doesn't end your season but unfortunately I think all that would do is make a 1 loss season the same unicorn to be chased as the undefeated season currently is. Main point still being OSU needs to get better, the rest of the B10 be damned.
 
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Jaxbuck;1808062; said:
This is going to get way off track in a hurry but how exactly do you think a stronger conference helps a team that can't beat the one decent team they played?

If the next 3 opponents were top 15 then yes, in theory OSU has a chance to run the table and improve but if they aren't good enough to beat Wisconsin what makes anyone think they'd be good enough to bet 3 ranked teams in a row?

I guess its just a matter of perspective but I don't think OSU is helped by a super strong B10 because I don't think OSU is good enough to roll through a super strong B10 with just 1 loss.

IMO the program has benefited from the FSU late 90's model of sustained success lately, being a semi elite team in a very weak conference and having their big name rival on the seat of their ass.

I'm not saying I'm ok with that but given what it is, I think the best odds of continued BCS Bowl every year level of success are to be found in a continued mediocre B10 with a CCG added for relevancy in the weeks after Thanksgiving.

I'd prefer what you are suggesting, an SEC level conference where 1 loss doesn't end your season but unfortunately I think all that would do is make a 1 loss season the same unicorn to be chased as the undefeated season currently is. Main point still being OSU needs to get better, the rest of the B10 be damned.
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Interesting. I don't think it's gotten that bad yet. But I certainly see where you're coming from...
 
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ScottsdaleBucki;1807950; said:
Ha Ha Ha!!! You said it.Wait neither do I. :paranoid:
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You've always got the "Hot Cops" :lol:

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Saw31;1808155; said:
Interesting. I don't think it's gotten that bad yet. But I certainly see where you're coming from...
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OK, what does Michigan have that other wannabees don't? a 110K stadium, fans who fill the 110K stadium, one of the biggest endowment funds in all of collegedom, i.e. people who put their money where their heart/mouth is, a huge fan base that is willing to watch a November game in a snow storm or travel to East Bufu for a bowl. And a significant number of wins across decades of football -- gee, sound like something Ohio State fans like to brag about? Familiarity DOES seem to breed contempt.

Here's another thought: quick hum a few bars of the Boise State fight song.

"The what?" i hear you say.

OK, make it the TCU, FSU, Miami, BYU, Rutgers Cincinnati, Boston College fight song.

Can we say tradition?
 
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cincibuck;1808621; said:
Here's another thought: quick hum a few bars of the Boise State fight song.

"The what?" i hear you say.

OK, make it the TCU, FSU, Miami, BYU, Rutgers Cincinnati, Boston College fight song.

Can we say tradition?
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True. If not for "Hail to the Victims" I'd have nothing to hum while on the crapper.
 
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