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If Andy Reid called for the punt team, and TO refused to leave the field...

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would he be a bad team player?

Because Manning did the same thing on Sunday on 4th and 2 and nobody cared. The media, the announcers, nobody gave a shit.

If you openly defied your coach, wouldn't there be consequences?

This post has been somewhat plagarized from Bill Simmons' last column.

From that same column, there was a link to an interesting bit in a Kansas City paper:

When it ended, Manning was devastated again. He choked up when talking about the feelings he had as he watched Vanderjagt’s field goal sail wide right. He tried openly not to blame Vanderjagt or anyone else — at one point, when asked about his lack of protection, he offered a rather lame “I’m trying to be a good teammate” line — but you could see his frustration. He had to see that missed kick as a symbol of his football life. Manning lost only five games in Isidore Newman High in New Orleans, but three of those losses came in the state playoffs. He did not win a state championship.
He lost only six games at Tennessee, but famously three of those losses were to Florida, and the Volunteers did not win the national championship until after he left.
And as he watched the Vanderjagt kick fail, Manning knew that this would be another loss, maybe the worst of them all. And he had to wonder what’s missing.
 
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tibor75 said:
would he be a bad team player?

Because Manning did the same thing on Sunday on 4th and 2 and nobody cared. The media, the announcers, nobody gave a shit.

If you openly defied your coach, wouldn't there be consequences?
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While you make a decent pt., but Peyton is the leader of that team and he is basically the Offensive Cordinator and he had the faith that they could make.

It would be much like an o-cord. saying to the head coach that they were staying out there b/c he had faith in his offense.
 
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different players deserve different levels of respect and resposibility. Peyton Manning has earned a lot of respect and responsibility on the team. He runs the offense. It's his offense and the Colts are okay with that. Personally, I think it's good as a QB that he did that...your offense LOVES that. I don't like Peyton Manning personally, but I think he has earned enough respect by playing hard and doing the right things to be able to do this.

TO is different. I've never seen a guy with so much talent sometimes just give up on a ball he could catch, or just get angry and not play well. He sticks it to other players some times, is not a team player, and would only stay on the field if it was about him, and not the team. That's the difference.
 
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They asked Dungy about this afterwards. He said he had called for them to go for it and that the punt unit didn't know yet. He said Manning was waving the punt unit off the field, not telling Dungy to get them off. Dungy had called for an attempt thru the headphones.
 
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crazybuckfan40 said:
While you make a decent pt., but Peyton is the leader of that team and he is basically the Offensive Cordinator and he had the faith that they could make.

It would be much like an o-cord. saying to the head coach that they were staying out there b/c he had faith in his offense.
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Not really, because an OC is still a coach. Manning is nobody.

Really I don't see how Dungy can have the respect of anybody in the lockerroom or the front office after that.

Besides, it was a horrible call on his part. Down by 18 with 15 minutes to go, 4th and 2 from close to midfield, you HAVE to go for it.
 
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bucknut11 said:
They asked Dungy about this afterwards. He said he had called for them to go for it and that the punt unit didn't know yet. He said Manning was waving the punt unit off the field, not telling Dungy to get them off. Dungy had called for an attempt thru the headphones.
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yeah, I believe that. Just like Roger Clemens thought that Piazza's broken bat was the ball. :roll1:
 
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if Krenzel did that to JT in 02, it would not get nearly the same response as if Clarett did it.

After his choke, did anyone interview vanderwhiner with regard to his "peyton never wins the big one" comments?
 
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tibor75 said:
would he be a bad team player?

Because Manning did the same thing on Sunday on 4th and 2 and nobody cared. The media, the announcers, nobody gave a shit.

If you openly defied your coach, wouldn't there be consequences?
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Dungy said after the game that Manning didn't "refuse" to come off the field.

Cease with the suggestions of racism...
 
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regardless of what the real situation was (if he refused to come off the field, or dungy really called for them to go for it), Manning has earned enough leadership that he should be allowed to make that call. Look how often he audibles at the line, he runs that offense.
 
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tibor75 said:
yeah, I believe that. Just like Roger Clemens thought that Piazza's broken bat was the ball. :roll1:
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Did Dungy look to you like a coach whose player was openly defying him? He sure didn't to me. the way it appeared on TV did make the coach look bad, but as posted earlier, it was explained after the game, and the explanation made perfect sense. I'm pretty sure they were on their own 37 yardline at the time, so it's very reasonable to assume the punt unit would automatically go out. I thought, at the time, that they needed to go for it because they weren't able to stop the Steelers' running game well enough to get many more possessions.
 
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