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MililaniBuckeye;1886521; said:
Seriously? You equate getting a $300,000 house or getting $180-200,000 for your son the same as a couple players selling their own property?


I agree about the first part, but the second part you act as if he was making statements on a daily basis saying he didn't know until December. Hell, he didn't even make a statement on this until December, so how can he be lying "for nearly a year"? There's a huge difference between: 1) His never bringing forward what he knew from those e-mails, and 2) His saying in December that he didn't know about the violations until then.
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Kool-aid anyone????
 
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localyokel;1886831; said:
Absolutely.

It's like when someone's wife takes a lover on the side for 8 or 9 months, breaks off the illicit relationship, then later confesses to her hubby because he finds her hidden stash of love letters. It doesn't really count as adultery since she didn't admit to the affair until after it was over.

Timing is everything.
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EXACTLY!!!:)
 
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Bucky Katt said:
The whole situation makes me feel sick to my stomach. The more I think about it, the more disappointed I am in Coach Tressel and the more peeved I am with the players who put him in this position.

I'll echo that, after reading the e-mails, and much like Gene Smith's "it's a tough economy" excuse, JT's "I wanted to protect the kids" excuse rings rather hollow to me.

And now for some pure speculation on JT's thinking here in today's episode of "Amateur Psychology Hour with B-Katt"....
-JT receives the email
-*sigh* These GD kids are effing killing me.
-Okay, this is clearly a violation by the kids, but it's a victimless one. Nobody really got hurt, they weren't enticed to OSU by benefits, DAMN I really don't want to lose these players for this season....okay...not a huge deal....I'll put an end to it going forward and hope that past transgressions never come up.
-Chat with rule-breakers - "Hey you clowns...I'm hearing that you may have violated NCAA rules last year by selling your shit. Knock it the eff off. Now go forth and sin no more"
-Kids! What's wrong with these kids today? God, I love showtunes. NTTAWWT.

We've all been there. A problem we don't want to deal with. Maybe it's a noise coming from your car that you hope will go away if you ignore it long enough. Or reviewing some of your work and finding out you made a mistake last year and would have to own up to it to your boss....or you could just hope they never notice, right? I know I've been there and said the heck with it...nobody will ever know...I think?........I'll just do it right from now on. It's not really the right decision, but I've made it and I understand why others make it, too.

That being said, I hold JT to a higher standard. He's always seemed to be above this kind of nonsense. It's a kick to the gut to read those e-mails and find out that a man I have on a pedestal makes the same mistakes as the rest of us. Now I know how the parent of a teenager feels the first time they find out their kid has been lying to them. You just don't know what to believe anymore. You can't trust anything they tell you. And you can't trust anything they've told you previously...It's depressing.....(and it's senseless....and that's why.........I like Chinese!)

Two games? Not good enough for me. I don't know if 6 games is fair....or 12....but 2 games is a joke, in my IMO.

In Tress I trust! I think?
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I'm way behind on this thread and all the JT related threads, because I don't like to smash my head in the wall repeatedly.....so apologies if this was covered in the last 10 pages that I skipped.

I'm with you on his line of thinking.......but why then did he lie about it? I keep coming back to that, and it isn't making sense to me. Tressel isn't stupid, but what appears to have transpired over this whole thing is just really fucking stupid. OK....play the "oops, my bad....didn't know it was a violation" role as long as you can, but when you get caught for it don't lie about knowing about it when there is easily attainable evidence showing exactly the opposite. I don't get it.
 
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BuckeyeNation27;1886891; said:
I'm way behind on this thread and all the JT related threads, because I don't like to smash my head in the wall repeatedly.....so apologies if this was covered in the last 10 pages that I skipped.

I'm with you on his line of thinking.......but why then did he lie about it? I keep coming back to that, and it isn't making sense to me. Tressel isn't stupid, but what appears to have transpired over this whole thing is just really [censored]ing stupid. OK....play the "oops, my bad....didn't know it was a violation" role as long as you can, but when you get caught for it don't lie about knowing about it when there is easily attainable evidence showing exactly the opposite. I don't get it.
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This.

Just doesn't make sense. An attorney provides this information as it is related to a federal investigation. Did he think this would just be swept under the rug? He had to have known it was going to come out sooner or later. And when things hit the fan in December, it didn't occur to him that lying about something that can be easily proven isn't the best idea? Doesn't make sense at all. Poor judgment at best.
 
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kn1f3party;1886938; said:
This.

Just doesn't make sense. An attorney provides this information as it is related to a federal investigation. Did he think this would just be swept under the rug? He had to have known it was going to come out sooner or later. And when things hit the fan in December, it didn't occur to him that lying about something that can be easily proven isn't the best idea? Doesn't make sense at all. Poor judgment at best.
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Maybe JT did foward them to the compliance office and they dropped the ball. So instead of the school taking a hit JT is standing up and takeing the hit.
 
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chillinvillian;1887358; said:
Maybe JT did foward them to the compliance office and they dropped the ball. So instead of the school taking a hit JT is standing up and takeing the hit.
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Makes no sense at all. JT is going to take the public humiliation, 2 game suspension, quarter million dollar fine and tarnish his legacy to protect a couple of low level compliance employees. The man's not gandhi and jesus rolled into one. Besides, gee and smith would never allow it since whacking a couple of compliance officials is a lot easier and cleaner than what they're going through right now.
 
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Is it cleaner than "lack of institutional control," though?

I think JT as it stands right now is absolutely the problem here. However, I have a strong feeling there is more to come.The presser didn't seem entirely sincere, and that nagging feeling has grown stronger.
 
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notfadeaway;1886882; said:
Its not a mixed up idea...they are NCAA bylaws...lets not big down in a semantic arguement:(
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Don't be purposefully obtuse. Separating actual laws from NCAA bylaws (an overgrown employee code of conduct) is important in a situation in which the evidence alludes to both rules violations and actual crimes. JT didn't commit any crimes; he broke no laws. He did, it seems, violate some rules. This is an important distinction, not to be minimized or overly simplified as so many of us out here and all over judge the man's character from the other side of an internet connection.

In the spirit of disclosure, I wore jeans to work yesterday because I knew no brass would be in the office. I broke a bylaw. I have preemptively sanctioned myself to show remorse and that I have learned from my actions, but no one has called the cops.
 
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[quote='BusNative;188739;1]Don't be purposefully obtuse. Separating actual laws from NCAA bylaws (an overgrown employee code of conduct) is important in a situation in which the evidence alludes to both rules violations and actual crimes. JT didn't commit any crimes; he broke no laws. He did, it seems, violate some rules. This is an important distinction, not to be minimized or overly simplified as so many of us out here and all over judge the man's character from the other side of an internet connection.

In the spirit of disclosure, I wore jeans to work yesterday because I knew no brass would be in the office. I broke a bylaw. I have preemptively sanctioned myself to show remorse and that I have learned from my actions, but no one has called the cops.[/quote]

If they were skinny jeans the death penalty is appropriate.
 
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