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jwinslow;739214; said:
Right. One of, if not THE best RB's ever, and he actually played his whole career for a franchise that was never too committed to winning, or investing in talent to put around Barry.
In response to his retiring "early":
Maybe he just wanted to be able to walk when he's sixty.
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Big Papa;739218; said:
Those stats are great. That's why I think he's overrated. That OL for Dallas was probably the best ever assembled. Not that Emmitt wasn't a good back, just not as good as those stats imply.
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Big Papa;739191; said:
He left because, during his entire career, the team's ownership had no interest in putting a quality team together. They still have the same problem. They put big bucks into one guy and expect him to carry the load. ie Barry and Joey Harrington. When Barry's contract would come up it was always like pulling teeth. He always played for his team and his teammates. It was never about him. He didn't save every ball he scored a TD with. He knew he was never going to win a superbowl but, he didn't play extra years just to beat Payton's record. He wanted to be traded to a contender and the Lions said no. They told him that if he didn't want to play in Detroit... retire. It is sad that they took a young man that loved the game of football and made him hate it.
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Big Papa
Urban!!!!
gost8;739212; said:
Speculate all you want, his numbers declined tremendously his last year going from over 2000 to 1400 on more carries. He only averaged 4.3 that year. I can speculate that his numbers would have continued to dip and he would never have reached 18000 yards.
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Big Papa;739223; said:
And I can speculate that had Emmitt played his entire career in Detroit, he would have come nowhere near Barry's career numbers.
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Big Papa;739223; said:
They went from 2000 to 1400? Hard to go up from 2000. Emmitt didn't hit 1400 yards in his last 9 seasons.... and he never averaged that miserable 4.3 ypc either
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Big Papa
Urban!!!!
BUCKYLE;739225; said:
OK, this is getting ridiculous. I like getting ganged up on as much as the next guy, but here is my point. Barry was a great back, definitely one of the best ever. I only argue the facts but Barry fans always love to speculate. Emmitt is the all time leading rusher and considered by many to be one of the greats ever. It just irritates me when people try to say he is overrated, not even top 10. To me that is just foolish. You don't put up numbers like he did, win MVP's like he did, win Super Bowls like he did, just being mediocre. Like I said, to me Jim Brown was the best ever, but both Barry and Emmitt (along with Payton and Sayers) deserve to be in the conversation.
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Big Papa;739235; said:
OK, this is getting ridiculous. I like getting ganged up on as much as the next guy, but here is my point. Barry was a great back, definitely one of the best ever. I only argue the facts but Barry fans always love to speculate. Emmitt is the all time leading rusher and considered by many to be one of the greats ever. It just irritates me when people try to say he is overrated, not even top 10. To me that is just foolish. You don't put up numbers like he did, win MVP's like he did, win Super Bowls like he did, just being mediocre. Like I said, to me Jim Brown was the best ever, but both Barry and Emmitt (along with Payton and Sayers) deserve to be in the conversation.
Eh, agree to disagree, whatever.
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Big Papa;739235; said:
OK, this is getting ridiculous. I like getting ganged up on as much as the next guy, but here is my point. Barry was a great back, definitely one of the best ever. I only argue the facts but Barry fans always love to speculate. Emmitt is the all time leading rusher and considered by many to be one of the greats ever. It just irritates me when people try to say he is overrated, not even top 10. To me that is just foolish. You don't put up numbers like he did, win MVP's like he did, win Super Bowls like he did, just being mediocre. Like I said, to me Jim Brown was the best ever, but both Barry and Emmitt (along with Payton and Sayers) deserve to be in the conversation.
MVP awards are given based on numbers, and I concede... he did have good numbers. All I am saying and most people outside the Dallas Cowboy fanbase agree is, the superbowls and sometimes the numbers are more based on the team than the individual. Come on man... Aikman, Irvin, Novacek, Stepnoski, Newton, Williams, Tuinei, Allen, Donaldson... Do I need to go on? Probowl every year.
Do you honestly believe anyone playing Dallas ever said, OK all we need to do is stop Emmitt and we have them beat? That was the defensive plan for 10 years against the Lions. Stop Barry. Can you imagine running against a defensive scheme that center on stopping you.
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:stupid:Big Papa;739239; said:He never rushed the ball 343 or 335 times either, otherwise he would have.
:crazy: aaaaaaawwwwww your not very good with math..... I'm sorry, let me help.Lets add up those years you keep referring to.
Barry 1997 2053 yards on 335 carries for 6.1 ypc. (YEAH 6.1 YARDS PER CARRY... HOLY SHIT!!!)
1997 Emmitt 4.1 ypc times 335 carries = 1373 yards... 2053 > 1373
Barry 1998 1491 yards on 343 carries for 4.3 ypc.
1998 Emmitt 4.2 ypc times 343 carries = 1440 yards... 1491 > 1440
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Dios F-ing Mio, quite a discussion of guys not in the class of 2007
I happen to like all of the players involved here...remember when Emmitt held out the first two games of whatever season that was (1993 I think) and Dallas lost both of them, and then he came back and they won almost all the rest of their games and the Super Bowl? Sounds like he was pretty important to me, no matter what line and receivers they had.
As for Barry, it is hard to say who was the best ever, but in terms of game-breaking big plays, he was the best ever in that category, and it isn't even close. He broke off more huge gains (and maybe had more 2 yard losses) than almost any back in the Hall of Fame or anywhere else. He was exciting to watch because you almost never knew what was going to happen, but once he hit the open field it was all over. And as far as retirement goes, why did he turn his back on anything? He didn't want to play anymore, so he didn't. Just because he didn't get carted off the field as the 2nd string back for the Falcons in his last season doesn't mean he retired too early...it means he retired when he wanted to.
As for Tags, Rozelle got in on try #8, so Tags not going in try #1 isn't a shock, especially with the way the media were portraying him as a condescending blowhard this morning (of course the media was doing the voting too). I think the big surprise for me was that Fred Dean made the first cut, but Tags did not. That was a bit of a surprise.
I happen to like all of the players involved here...remember when Emmitt held out the first two games of whatever season that was (1993 I think) and Dallas lost both of them, and then he came back and they won almost all the rest of their games and the Super Bowl? Sounds like he was pretty important to me, no matter what line and receivers they had.
As for Barry, it is hard to say who was the best ever, but in terms of game-breaking big plays, he was the best ever in that category, and it isn't even close. He broke off more huge gains (and maybe had more 2 yard losses) than almost any back in the Hall of Fame or anywhere else. He was exciting to watch because you almost never knew what was going to happen, but once he hit the open field it was all over. And as far as retirement goes, why did he turn his back on anything? He didn't want to play anymore, so he didn't. Just because he didn't get carted off the field as the 2nd string back for the Falcons in his last season doesn't mean he retired too early...it means he retired when he wanted to.
As for Tags, Rozelle got in on try #8, so Tags not going in try #1 isn't a shock, especially with the way the media were portraying him as a condescending blowhard this morning (of course the media was doing the voting too). I think the big surprise for me was that Fred Dean made the first cut, but Tags did not. That was a bit of a surprise.
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