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HOF Classes: 2007, 2008 (official thread)

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tibor75;739033; said:
I agree. Players are always sticking up for other players, so their opinion is frankly worthless.
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Sorry, I find player and coach opinions to be far more useful than those of some random media members. The (football) all-big ten coaches team is almost always a better list than the media counterpart.
 
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jwinslow;739039; said:
Sorry, I find player and coach opinions to be far more useful than those of some random media members. The (football) all-big ten coaches team is almost always a better list than the media counterpart.
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After players retire, they rarely bad-mouth any other players, since most are friendly. Ergo, I don't think a player would ever say, "Monk really doesn't deserve it" Jerry Rice and Ronnie Lott played during Monk's career so their opinion is especially worthless since they were concentrating on their own team during that time. Maybe now as retired players their opinion has merit in regards to players playing now.
 
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Regarding Irvin, I still find it amusing that people rip on eagles fans for cheering Irvin's back injury.

First of all, nobody knew how badly he was injured.

Secondly, he was a loser. I'd cheer his injury any day of the week. No matter how severe, he'd deserve it.
 
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I was correct about the suspension. From Wiki:

In March of 1996, Irvin was arrested on charges of cocaine possession at a hotel party celebrating his 30th birthday. After numerous court appearances amid a national media circus, which featured Irvin showing up to court in a full-length mink coat, he pled no contest to the charges and was sentenced to community service, ordered to pay a $10,000 fine, and put on 4-years probation. When drug-tested for illicit drugs, he tested negative. But the NFL suspended Irvin for the first five games of the 1996 season.

Irvin was also known as a regular at the "White House", a private pleasure palace near the team's training facility, where he and some Dallas teammates, like lineman Nate Newton, allegedly enjoyed a variety of wanton activities, including drugs and illicit sex.

In Irvin's 1996 absence, the Cowboys struggled out of the gate and never recovered. Upon his return from suspension, Irvin tallied 962 receiving yards in only 11 games.

Irvin sustained further damage to his reputation when controversy reared its head again as the Cowboys played the Carolina Panthers for their NFC Divisional Playoff game. Media reports stated that Irvin and teammate Erik Williams had sexually assaulted a woman and, with a gun to her head, videotaped the interaction. Despite Williams' and Irvin's denials of the allegations, the story overshadowed the game, which the Cowboys lost. The accuser was later proven to have fabricated the entire incident and faced charges of perjury, but the damage had already been done.

Midway through the playoff game with Carolina, Irvin left the playoff game with a broken collarbone.

Irvin had solid years in 1997 and 1998. During the fifth game of the 1999 season, however, Irvin was tackled hard at Veterans Stadium in Philadelphia by Philadelphia Eagles Defensive Back Tim Hauck, and went head-first into The Vet's infamous concrete surface. As Irvin lay motionless on the Veterans Stadium field, he was infamously greeted by hostile applause and boos from fans of the rival Philadelphia Eagles, who had grown to despise Irvin and the entire Cowboys' organization. However, contrary to popular belief, the fans were not booing so much at Michael Irvin as they were Deon Sanders dancing on the field before anyone realized he was injuried. Once it was discovered he was injuried, cheers ensued all the way up to the ambulance taking him off the field.

Irvin was carted off the Philadelphia field on a stretcher, and the play in Philadelphia proved to be his last. The Dallas wide receiver sustained a non-life-threatening cervical spinal cord injury and was subsequently diagnosed with a narrow spinal column, which forced him into early retirement.
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Interesting to see they indeed struggled without him when he was suspended.
 
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Bob Saccamano;739065; said:
I was correct about the suspension. From Wiki:



Interesting to see they indeed struggled without him when he was suspended.
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So, the bad news was that he was a punk who hurt his team.

the good news for his candidacy is that he really was vital to their team.
 
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jwinslow;739082; said:
Tibor, would you vote for TO? He has twice as many TDs as Mr Irvin with the same yardage.
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No.

His on-the-field crap dwarfs anything Irvin did.

Although if his performance over the Pats in the Super Bowl had lead to a win, it would be hard to keep him out. Still, sabotaging his teammates time and time again can't be overlooked.
 
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jwinslow;739082; said:
Tibor, would you vote for TO? He has twice as many TDs as Mr Irvin with the same yardage.
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TO has been a side show the last 4 or 5 years to the extreme that you could argue the distraction effected his team's performance. That said, if the HOF is about stats the answer would be yes he belongs in the HOF, as does Irvin IMO.
 
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The Man;739084; said:
TO has been a side show the last 4 or 5 years to the extreme that you could argue the distraction effected his team's performance. That said, if the HOF is about stats the answer would be yes he belongs in the HOF, as does Irvin IMO.
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Not to mention, don't see any rings on TO's fingers. Irvin played an important part for all 3 of his. But, if you look at stats alone, then TO makes a good case to get a bust in Canton and I think he will get a ring before he is done.
 
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Big Papa;739120; said:
Not to mention, don't see any rings on TO's fingers. Irvin played an important part for all 3 of his. But, if you look at stats alone, then TO makes a good case to get a bust in Canton and I think he will get a ring before he is done.
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Whoa ! the HOF is to imortalize the great players in the game. No way TO belongs in it. Sure he is a good receiver but. the distractions suck
 
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Big Papa;739119; said:
Wow, not sure how you say the guy with the most rushing yards in NFL history was not all that great. You can certainly debate he was not the greatest, but to say he was not all that great is ridiculous.
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I could have ran the ball for Dallas with the line they had. I agree he was a good back though. I'd like to have seen him play for the Lions in Sander's day or the Bears in Sweetness's.
 
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