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Higher Ed. firings and resignations

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ORD_Buckeye said:
Mediocre resume at best to run an AAU university. If I'm looking for someone to run an aircraft carrier, he'd be great. Those two skill sets are not the same.Time will tell if he's up to the job.
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You completely misunderstand the role. Running a 501c3 (charity) requires raising some major cabbage. Remember what happened under the biology teacher? The money went south. The sturdy sons of Ohio are going to pony up for this guy. Look at @Jaxbuck post above. That's how the "dudes with coin" are going to perceive this hire.
 
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heisman said:
You completely misunderstand the role. Running a 501c3 (charity) requires raising some major cabbage. Remember what happened under the biology teacher? The money went south. The sturdy sons of Ohio are going to pony up for this guy. Look at @Jaxbuck post above. That's how the "dudes with coin" are going to perceive this hire.
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The biology teacher, I assume is Holbrook. I was no fan of hers from her alcohol crackdown to her post-tenure badmouthing, and I think the job was over her head. That being said, fundraising was just fine under her. Her tenure was in between campaigns, so it wasn't earth shattering, but the annual figure steadily increased. The myth that Ohio State's fundraising dried up under her was just message board nonsense. The same message board nonsense that was soooo certain that it would dry up after Tressel got whacked, yet the campaign that was going on didn't miss a beat and ended up exceeding its target by over half a billion dollars.

As for Carter, here's a pretty good rundown of his tenure at Corn. Like I said, we'll see how he does, but this is promising at least.

nebraskaexaminer.com

University of Nebraska's Ted Carter is named the next president at Ohio State • Nebraska Examiner

NU system President Ted Carter is expected to be named Tuesday as the next president at Ohio State University in Columbus.
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NPR report this AM stated that the GOP had a good deal of input into the hiring. Part of Carter's remarks included that he wore a uniform for 35 years and is a strong supporter of the Constitution. Infer what you want from that. My guess is that he's more liberal than the Ohio GOP thinks he is and more conservative than the faculty believes he should be. Still, better than the news coming out of WVU.
 
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cincibuck said:
NPR report this AM stated that the GOP had a good deal of input into the hiring. Part of Carter's remarks included that he wore a uniform for 35 years and is a strong supporter of the Constitution. Infer what you want from that. My guess is that he's more liberal than the Ohio GOP thinks he is and more conservative than the faculty believes he should be. Still, better than the news coming out of WVU.
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He defended Corn's academic freedom from the maga Governor there apparently leading to a rift between them, so that's a good thing. My initial fears of his somewhat shaky resume are fading away. He might be what we need in the coming years.

Also a huge supporter of hockey, so combined with Gene's departure, we finally might get a hockey arena worthy of a Frozen Four level program.
 
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ORD_Buckeye said:
Mediocre resume at best to run an AAU university. If I'm looking for someone to run an aircraft carrier, he'd be great. Those two skill sets are not the same.Time will tell if he's up to the job.
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I see a lot of soft skill overlap.
Internal politics to the 9s. A carrier commander spends a significant amount of time gladhanding local and national personalities. They're not raising money as directly as a University President, but they kind of are through local and federal political support, as well as foundations (the carriers named after Presidents usually have a foundation from its namesake' descendants).
Getting disparate elements to function together - sailor side and aviation side see things very differently.
A lot of 'i' dotting (ahem) and 't' crossing. A carrier is smaller than a University, but both are effectively a town unto themselves. With their own culture, police, waste, energy, housing, entertainment / events, mission sets, etc. A University President maybe shouldn't get involved in any or all of those, but they need to be aware of them and how everything fits together.

On the edu side, he had the equivalent role at USNA. Again, a much smaller school but it has Dartmouth/Vanderbilt/Northwestern academics at the 4yr level.
He again held the same role for USN' lesser-known postgrad school.
And from there he went to the recently-ousted-from-AAU Nebraska.
I see natural career progression here.
Maybe more of a Tressel hire (poached from a school outside the BCS/AAU schools) than an Urban homerun or Day succession, but ... yea... he's not unqualified.


All that said, im obviously biased.

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Gee just failed a no-confidence vote by the WVU faculty. What a mess he's created there. I always thought his first run here was based mostly on him shamelessly taking credit for all the real work that Ed Jennings, Celeste and Vern Riffe had done in the 80s. He parlayed that into the job at Brown, but they ran him off pretty quickly. His second tenure here was a cluster fuck before he was run off.
 
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BuckBackHome said:
We are going to continue to see many articles like the one above.
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Speaking 100% anecdotally as the Dad of a HS senior going through the college selection process in Ohio, yeah... we are.

My impression, and this might be wrong of Cleveland State specifically, is that schools like these that live in that sort of nexus between regional commuter universities and full time live on site campuses, need to attract the full time on-site kids to thrive, and I can tell you that the MAC schools are simply going balls to the wall with incentives to make sure they keep their market share at their main campuses (I think their regionals are getting hammered as well). So, you have private schools offering discounts (and that's what they are its not "aid") to get to public University prices and then the MAC type schools are locking tuition and throwing more on top of that - my kid got offered 7K off per year from OU to be a freaking geography major... no fafsa, nothing else... and others are doing similar stuff, and I can telly you that these discounts are making a real difference in her peer group, where almost none of them started out by thinking OU or BG and almost all of them are going to one now. That's got to be a tough environment for CSU, Wright State, YSU etc....
 
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AKAK said:
Speaking 100% anecdotally as the Dad of a HS senior going through the college selection process in Ohio, yeah... we are.

My impression, and this might be wrong of Cleveland State specifically, is that schools like these that live in that sort of nexus between regional commuter universities and full time live on site campuses, need to attract the full time on-site kids to thrive, and I can tell you that the MAC schools are simply going balls to the wall with incentives to make sure they keep their market share at their main campuses (I think their regionals are getting hammered as well). So, you have private schools offering discounts (and that's what they are its not "aid") to get to public University prices and then the MAC type schools are locking tuition and throwing more on top of that - my kid got offered 7K off per year from OU to be a freaking geography major... no fafsa, nothing else... and others are doing similar stuff, and I can telly you that these discounts are making a real difference in her peer group, where almost none of them started out by thinking OU or BG and almost all of them are going to one now. That's got to be a tough environment for CSU, Wright State, YSU etc....
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The little private liberal arts schools are going to die without a new game plan. Oberlin has the kook cult, but the Otterbeins, Muskinghams, Heidelbergs, Capitals…they’re just too expensive. Even BW will likely be in trouble I would imagine
 
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AKAK said:
Speaking 100% anecdotally as the Dad of a HS senior going through the college selection process in Ohio, yeah... we are.

My impression, and this might be wrong of Cleveland State specifically, is that schools like these that live in that sort of nexus between regional commuter universities and full time live on site campuses, need to attract the full time on-site kids to thrive, and I can tell you that the MAC schools are simply going balls to the wall with incentives to make sure they keep their market share at their main campuses (I think their regionals are getting hammered as well). So, you have private schools offering discounts (and that's what they are its not "aid") to get to public University prices and then the MAC type schools are locking tuition and throwing more on top of that - my kid got offered 7K off per year from OU to be a freaking geography major... no fafsa, nothing else... and others are doing similar stuff, and I can telly you that these discounts are making a real difference in her peer group, where almost none of them started out by thinking OU or BG and almost all of them are going to one now. That's got to be a tough environment for CSU, Wright State, YSU etc....
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Same here - the daughter is a junior but already has consistent contact with OU and I've sensed some of the same stuff vis-à-vis tuition although she hasn't officially applied anywhere yet. They REALLY want these kids to stay on in-campus housing too.

We went to OU last summer for a day and you would have thought she went to every friggin college or university in Ohio given the amount of mail we got over the next 3 months. Insane.
 
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