HC Ryan Day (2019 B1G Media COY)

[gmen6981]

ESPN

It's easier too.

 

[brodybuck21]

Since we are, at minimum, 2 full seasons away before any changes will occur, we can only hope some things DO change.

Here's a list (obviously not inclusive):

1. The culture MUST change. It doesn't have to be a Greek Tragedy where everyone dies in the end, but there has to be more of a warrior culture within the program. The Dancing video with Day in the middle and the embarrassingly soft gritty fadeaway video stuff needs to end with this season.

2. There is a blue print to beat Ohio State. Strong lines and ball control offense. The issue is what the focus is and should be - should Ohio State build to beat the scUM and Ped State's of the world and win the B1G or should they be built more like the flashy SEC and Big 12 teams that need to score 40 points to win. Teams like scUM tried to run with Ohio State in the Meyer-era and got burned. So they went in the other direction. While not wanting to go fully in that direction, there has to be a strategy to counter this without significant tradeoffs going forward. Right now that tradeoff is becoming uber-conservative on offense and defense (which was pure vanilla yesterday).

3. Special teams MUST be special going forward. You have 4 and 5 star recruits throughout the roster. Use them.

4. Speaking to the special teams thing, for the love of God ditch the full-time Rugby style punting scheme.

5. Talk is cheap. Stop. Play Tresselball here too.

6. Your main rival has taken your mojo. It's not just enough to beat them now, there has to be a fundamental change in how things are accomplished to regain the top spot and stay there.

7. The offense has to be tailored to the skills of your players. Yeah it's a lot easier to call an offense for a QB who is himself a weapon. Braxton Millers and Justin Fields and even JT Barretts are still somewhat rare. This is where a full time OC is needed to tailor the offense to their strengths. The offense felt like a square peg in a rectangular opening. It fit ok sometimes, but there were clearly elements missing. That must change.

Growth can happen. Day is still a relatively young man at 44 years old. By comparison, Tressel was 49, Meyer was 48 and Bruce was 48 and Cooper was 51 when they became Head Coach at Ohio State. So not only was he far younger (39), he was also taking on the Head Coaching gig for the first time ever. Even Woody at 38 had already been a Head Coach. While not perfect and certainly not as successful on a national scale as UFM and JT, he's way ahead of Bruce and Cooper.

To reiterate - growth can still happen. I estimate he has about 2 seasons with a new AD to really show that he can....the coaches who do tend to stick around the longest. The ones who don't or can't end up on the scrap heap of history.

Well stated

 

[osuvictory1]

Since we are, at minimum, 2 full seasons away before any changes will occur, we can only hope some things DO change.

Here's a list (obviously not inclusive):

1. The culture MUST change. It doesn't have to be a Greek Tragedy where everyone dies in the end, but there has to be more of a warrior culture within the program. The Dancing video with Day in the middle and the embarrassingly soft gritty fadeaway video stuff needs to end with this season.

2. There is a blue print to beat Ohio State. Strong lines and ball control offense. The issue is what the focus is and should be - should Ohio State build to beat the scUM and Ped State's of the world and win the B1G or should they be built more like the flashy SEC and Big 12 teams that need to score 40 points to win. Teams like scUM tried to run with Ohio State in the Meyer-era and got burned. So they went in the other direction. While not wanting to go fully in that direction, there has to be a strategy to counter this without significant tradeoffs going forward. Right now that tradeoff is becoming uber-conservative on offense and defense (which was pure vanilla yesterday).

3. Special teams MUST be special going forward. You have 4 and 5 star recruits throughout the roster. Use them.

4. Speaking to the special teams thing, for the love of God ditch the full-time Rugby style punting scheme.

5. Talk is cheap. Stop. Play Tresselball here too.

6. Your main rival has taken your mojo. It's not just enough to beat them now, there has to be a fundamental change in how things are accomplished to regain the top spot and stay there.

7. The offense has to be tailored to the skills of your players. Yeah it's a lot easier to call an offense for a QB who is himself a weapon. Braxton Millers and Justin Fields and even JT Barretts are still somewhat rare. This is where a full time OC is needed to tailor the offense to their strengths. The offense felt like a square peg in a rectangular opening. It fit ok sometimes, but there were clearly elements missing. That must change.

Growth can happen. Day is still a relatively young man at 44 years old. By comparison, Tressel was 49, Meyer was 48 and Bruce was 48 and Cooper was 51 when they became Head Coach at Ohio State. So not only was he far younger (39), he was also taking on the Head Coaching gig for the first time ever. Even Woody at 38 had already been a Head Coach. While not perfect and certainly not as successful on a national scale as UFM and JT, he's way ahead of Bruce and Cooper.

To reiterate - growth can still happen. I estimate he has about 2 seasons with a new AD to really show that he can....the coaches who do tend to stick around the longest. The ones who don't or can't end up on the scrap heap of history.

I disagree for much of what you are saying. This defense recruiting cycle is definitely more suited to battle in the SEC. Big speedy guys.

Who wants to go back to Tresselball? I certainly don't.

You can't beat UGA by playing Tresselball. That's not modern footballm

OL recruiting fell off, as well as development for 2 years. That takes a while to get back.

We are super close. A different quarterback and we handily beat Scum yesterday.

I think things are falling into place this recruiting cycle to become something truly special.

 

[AuTX Buckeye]

 

[Mike80]

I disagree for much of what you are saying. This defense recruiting cycle is definitely more suited to battle in the SEC. Big speedy guys.

Who wants to go back to Tresselball? I certainly don't.

You can't beat UGA by playing Tresselball. That's not modern footballm

OL recruiting fell off, as well as development for 2 years. That takes a while to get back.

We are super close. A different quarterback and we handily beat Scum yesterday.

I think things are falling into place this recruiting cycle to become something truly special.

Who said anything about playing actual Tresselball? Re-read what I said please.

 

[dragurd]

Since we are, at minimum, 2 full seasons away before any changes will occur, we can only hope some things DO change.

Here's a list (obviously not inclusive):

1. The culture MUST change. It doesn't have to be a Greek Tragedy where everyone dies in the end, but there has to be more of a warrior culture within the program. The Dancing video with Day in the middle and the embarrassingly soft gritty fadeaway video stuff needs to end with this season.

2. There is a blue print to beat Ohio State. Strong lines and ball control offense. The issue is what the focus is and should be - should Ohio State build to beat the scUM and Ped State's of the world and win the B1G or should they be built more like the flashy SEC and Big 12 teams that need to score 40 points to win. Teams like scUM tried to run with Ohio State in the Meyer-era and got burned. So they went in the other direction. While not wanting to go fully in that direction, there has to be a strategy to counter this without significant tradeoffs going forward. Right now that tradeoff is becoming uber-conservative on offense and defense (which was pure vanilla yesterday).

3. Special teams MUST be special going forward. You have 4 and 5 star recruits throughout the roster. Use them.

4. Speaking to the special teams thing, for the love of God ditch the full-time Rugby style punting scheme.

5. Talk is cheap. Stop. Play Tresselball here too.

6. Your main rival has taken your mojo. It's not just enough to beat them now, there has to be a fundamental change in how things are accomplished to regain the top spot and stay there.

7. The offense has to be tailored to the skills of your players. Yeah it's a lot easier to call an offense for a QB who is himself a weapon. Braxton Millers and Justin Fields and even JT Barretts are still somewhat rare. This is where a full time OC is needed to tailor the offense to their strengths. The offense felt like a square peg in a rectangular opening. It fit ok sometimes, but there were clearly elements missing. That must change.

Growth can happen. Day is still a relatively young man at 44 years old. By comparison, Tressel was 49, Meyer was 48 and Bruce was 48 and Cooper was 51 when they became Head Coach at Ohio State. So not only was he far younger (39), he was also taking on the Head Coaching gig for the first time ever. Even Woody at 38 had already been a Head Coach. While not perfect and certainly not as successful on a national scale as UFM and JT, he's way ahead of Bruce and Cooper.

To reiterate - growth can still happen. I estimate he has about 2 seasons with a new AD to really show that he can....the coaches who do tend to stick around the longest. The ones who don't or can't end up on the scrap heap of history.

I'm sorry but 1 5 were exactly how he played it every year before this.

There were people screaming he showed no emotions and played like he had a stick up his ass the previous years. He shows emotion this year and suddenly talk is cheap.

What the F do you guy want? And don't answer win the game.

Cause then none of this other shit matters and you're always going to complain no matter what he does.

2. That's literally the blue print to beat any good team congrats you figured out football.

3 now I agree. Special teams has been bad and return game hasn't been scary since Egbuka was a kr. And for God sakes recruit a kicker with the leg to make it from 50 + without putting everything he has into.

4. No until Mirco this year the punting is fine. The fakes well they have been something.

6. Nah winning cures a lot. See Michigan popping the seal and now they are confident. They are arrogant as fuck but that works for them confidence wise.

7. Not only that can we please get someone who doesn't think motioning your smallish receivers into block in Man which means the defender comes to box is a good idea? You gained nothing congrats.

And yes growth is possible. He's been growing every year you can see him evolving. Unlike the USC coach who just does his offensive thing and doesn't seem to care about anything else. He clearly cares. It bothers him. Whether he can overcome it is it's own thing but he's not back there doing the same thing every year

 

[Jake]

This means nothing to me. It's the laziest way to critique any loss. Maybe we go back and get Robert Reynolds to choke QBs.

Yeah, I don't agree with everything Cie says but I get a kick out of how he expresses himself.

 

[NJ-Buckeye]

 

[Buckeye86]

For the record, I’m already going back on my absolute rejection of a transfer portal QB.

My main objection is no good options out there (and it ain’t Arch Manning).

If there’s a Justin Fields available and you’re confident of that, you absolutely should go get him.

Even if McCord and Brown transfer, your room is *Justin Fields caliber transfer*, Kienholz, Noland, which seems just fine to me.

It even could make a cleaner path for Nolan, since McCord or Brown don’t seem like early NFL guys, but who knows.

 

[osuvictory1]

For the record, I’m already going back on my absolute rejection of a transfer portal QB.

My main objection is no good options out there (and it ain’t Arch Manning).

If there’s a Justin Fields available and you’re confident of that, you absolutely should go get him.

Even if McCord and Brown transfer, your room is *Justin Fields caliber transfer*, Kienholz, Noland, which seems just fine to me.

It even could make a cleaner path for Nolan, since McCord or Brown don’t seem like early NFL guys, but who knows.

McCord seems like a nice kid. But you are right, he probably cost OSU the game and limited what the O could do.

Day for his own self preservation needs to find a way to move on from McCord and Brown.

 

[Diego-Bucks]

It’s not about corny suburban kids vs hood dawgs….

It’s about solid players, making decent NIL $$$ and staying into early adulthood vs going to NFL as a 5th-7th rd pick. And having that option bc of Covid. Let’s compare some starting roster material:

Ladarius Henderson - 22
Trevor Keegan - 23
Drake Nugent - 22 (23 in Feb)
Zak Zinter - 22
Karsen Barnhart - 22
Trente Jones - 22
Myles Hinton - 23
Blake Corum - 23


Kris Jenkins - 22
Braiden McCgregor - 22
Jaylen Harrell - 22
Michael Barrett - 23
Josh Wallace - 23
Mike Sainristill - 23


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Tommy Eichenberg - 22
Cade Stover - 23
Julian Fleming - 22
Matthew Jones - 24
Steele Chambers - 23
Josh Proctor - 24


That is (14) Michigan starters 22 years or older to OSU’s (6).

This has been the trend for (3) years as Michigan banged COVID transfer portal. That loophole is now closed, and everyone is back to a neutral playing field.

FSU and Michigan exploited this window like no other teams…..and it shows. As an FSU grad it sucks Jordan Travis injury has essentially nuked that window. Both Michigan and FSU return to the depths of mediocrity following this season.

Recruiting is essential to programs, unless a once a lifetime pandemic hits giving kids free years of eligibility and unlimited transfer ability.

I’m withholding judgement on Ryan until the playing field has overwhelmingly neutralized and everyone is playing from same deck. That hasn’t been the case for a while now. OSU was able to utilize a few outliers (Cade, Proctor, Matthew Jones) but they didn’t make it the core of their team.

I’d also argue, beyond the sign stealing, one neutralizing component in playing UGA (in comparison to Michigan) is that the Dawgs do not stack and collect grad transfers like Michigan did. It’s a huge advantage they (Michigan) leaned into.

Just my .02 cents….

I think about this a lot in the last few seasons. Michigan has been getting older players, and OSU has been staying pretty young. And that has consequences - that's been the BYU strategy for a long-time.

That age disparity also results because our players tend to declare early, which consistently leaves us with holes to fill (and then folks transfer). A few players sticking around an extra season changes our team a lot - but we are both fortunate and unfortunate in that players don't stay that extra season here. Heck, even someone like Wypler (an NFL 6th rounder) staying would have likely changed a whole heck of a lot for this years' OL. Its always a tough gig in college to maintain any continuity. We are now looking at another 5+ early declarations this year (MHJ, EE, JT, Sawyer, Burke?).

Michigan went yin towards our yang over the past 3 seasons but I think it'll even out and be exposed in 2024 and moving forward.

 

[Gunlife]

McCord seems like a nice kid. But you are right, he probably cost OSU the game and limited what the O could do.

Day for his own self preservation needs to find a way to move on from McCord and Brown.

IMO Day can't stand McCord. He's the only player I have seen Day consistently blow up on in public. And I don't remember 1 interview where Day was gushing about his qb this year. I do expect Day to attempt to move on from the current 1-2 qbs.

I don't mean to be elitist, but this is The Ohio State University. We expect our wrs, rbs, and qbs to be 3 year players. If they don't have that ability let's find someone who does.

 

[osuvictory1]

I think about this a lot in the last few seasons. Michigan has been getting older players, and OSU has been staying pretty young. And that has consequences - that's been the BYU strategy for a long-time.

That age disparity also results because our players tend to declare early, which consistently leaves us with holes to fill (and then folks transfer). A few players sticking around an extra season changes our team a lot - but we are both fortunate and unfortunate in that players don't stay that extra season here. Heck, even someone like Wypler (an NFL 6th rounder) staying would have likely changed a whole heck of a lot for this years' OL. Its always a tough gig in college to maintain any continuity. We are now looking at another 5+ early declarations this year (MHJ, EE, JT, Sawyer, Burke?).

Michigan went yin towards our yang over the past 3 seasons but I think it'll even out and be exposed in 2024 and moving forward.

Scum will be a hot frying mess next season. They are maybe a little too veteran of a team, and it's pretty bare bones behind what is there.

 

[Bucklion]

What we need are kickers who can make FGs and generate touchbacks, punters with legs who DONT generate touchbacks, coverage units that get down the field and down the ball, and return units who make smart decisions and block without getting penalties.

That has fuck all to do with any of that. I loved Cie as a player, but…

 

[Osi]

I'm sorry but 1 5 were exactly how he played it every year before this.

There were people screaming he showed no emotions and played like he had a stick up his ass the previous years. He shows emotion this year and suddenly talk is cheap.

What the F do you guy want? And don't answer win the game.

Cause then none of this other shit matters and you're always going to complain no matter what he does.

2. That's literally the blue print to beat any good team congrats you figured out football.

3 now I agree. Special teams has been bad and return game hasn't been scary since Egbuka was a kr. And for God sakes recruit a kicker with the leg to make it from 50 + without putting everything he has into.

4. No until Mirco this year the punting is fine. The fakes well they have been something.

6. Nah winning cures a lot. See Michigan popping the seal and now they are confident. They are arrogant as fuck but that works for them confidence wise.

7. Not only that can we please get someone who doesn't think motioning your smallish receivers into block in Man which means the defender comes to box is a good idea? You gained nothing congrats.

And yes growth is possible. He's been growing every year you can see him evolving. Unlike the USC coach who just does his offensive thing and doesn't seem to care about anything else. He clearly cares. It bothers him. Whether he can overcome it is it's own thing but he's not back there doing the same thing every year.

Go on....