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HC Ryan Day (2019 B1G Media COY)

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Ryan Day is a REALLY good HC. The problem is, really good isn't enough for many of us Buckeye fans when you cannot win the game that matters the most. Is that fair to some people? No, but when you sign on to play or coach in Columbus, that's how you're judged...that's just the way it is. Again, to me, I just don't think Ryan Day is wired to win The Game or most games against top competition. Unfortunately, I can't just say "fire him" because I do not know who you get that is better. We just have to hope he figures it out, because if he keeps winning 90% of his games overall, he isn't going anywhere unless he takes another job.
 
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Ryan36_1 said:
Ok. I’ve spent the past couple of hours defending Day in the game thread. Well defending him from being immediately fired at least. That said here are his must dos:

-Fire Fleming or reassign him to whatever position he has been retained for. Because its not special teams, that’s for sure. We are OSU - if we want to spend mid six figures on a non-coach recruiter, then so be it.

-Agressively fill in positions of need for depth. Example - OL. I’m not faulting Frye because we improved over the course of a season, but we were too young and untalented on line coming into this year.

-Have a QB on opening day that is improved from McCord’s current ceiling. Maybe it’s Kyle, maybe it’s one of our other QBs. But I think we can agree that being a top tier QB in our conference should be the floor, not the ceiling for us.

-Retain Knowles. I think the hate given to him in game thread was unwarranted. It’s 2023 and giving up 31 points spotting them a 7yard drive and requiring them to be perfect on 4th down isn’t the reason we lost.

That’s it. Yeah he is 1-3 in the Game, but fix the above and how easily that changes.

Bonus points if he mentors Hartline and cedes some play calling to him.
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Agree on the QB point. Point blank…the Bucks need someone more…I don’t know “dynamic”? Even Stroud played a neutered version of himself until he took a month of shit talk before Georgia. And then decided to run and play winning football. Everything else before seemed liked he was in bubble wrap for the draft.

McCord looks emotionless and worried for long parts of the game. I guess we accept that since he’s a year 1 starter? Except the expectation for how QBs come into this game is accelerated - these kids are growing faster. This was game 12 and he’s staring down receivers. Arm talent? Decent. QB skills? Low. Be honest, watch the film. He was just “throwing” not QBing. What is he without Marvs and Flemings catches? There were a lot of heaves. I’m terrified without those sideline passes to Marv.

Michigan schemed guys open for a less talented player, in my opinion. That reflects on Day.

I see QBs across America that have more winning attitude, more winning plays and a scheme that allows them to look like world beaters. Guys wide open and QB confident to hit em.

I need to see more out of OSU’s QB. Blame Day or blame McCord but I don’t see championship.
 
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NFBuck said:
Ryan Day is a REALLY good HC. The problem is, really good isn't enough for many of us Buckeye fans when you cannot win the game that matters the most. Is that fair to some people? No, but when you sign on to play or coach in Columbus, that's how you're judged...that's just the way it is. Again, to me, I just don't think Ryan Day is wired to win The Game or most games against top competition. Unfortunately, I can't just say "fire him" because I do not know who you get that is better. We just have to hope he figures it out, because if he keeps winning 90% of his games overall, he isn't going anywhere unless he takes another job.
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With you man. And who knows? I’m realizing more and more tonight how the landscape is changing.

Think about it…I would not care about this loss next year. OSU is in. We’re planning playoff matchups.

Now. I do care. Beating Michigan is what makes Ohio. I always will care. But this Game is different.

Bucks just need to win 10-11 games and get it. Then take a chance in a one-shot playoff. Day gets us there 9/10 times so we have to take it.
 
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Ryan36_1 said:
A couple years from now it’ll clear up I imagine.

And to be clear - I’m saying I’m just as likely to look like a blind idiot as anyone. Day has faced much harder of a gauntlet to start than Tress did (other than that Miami team).

I just see Day as a few plays away from having a whole different legacy thus far. And am willing to give him another year before deciding he’s not it.
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He will win against a depleted Michigan team next year and all will be well. Day stinks
 
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kujirakira said:
With Day, the whole of the team is less than the sum of its parts.
In 10 years, people will be wondering how he never won it all with the talent he had.
Very similar to the 94-98 stretch.
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Nothing to go on but mock drafts but he may very well have had 4 first rounders today (Marv, EE, JT, Sawyer)

It wasn't a lack of talent. Some guys (coaches and players)
 
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Day needs to be willing to change his system and evolve. Part of being a top tier program is to shift how you win from year to year. An offense needs to evolve from year to year or it becomes stale and other teams catch up to it. It also has to change to accommodate the talent you have. Some of the reason why teams go after dual threat QBs is it gives them the ability to use the QB in the run game while they develop their passing.

I just don't think this offense was suited for Mccord as he developed his game. Day has been able to drop in a QB into his system and they played well up to this point. McCord has struggled because there isn't much to take pressure off of him. It doesn't help that Day has been using the same routes and concepts for 6+ years now.

I thought he needed to bring in an OC at the end of last season to help him evolve. It's a must now. He doesn't have to get rid of Hartline but needs someone to be co-OC with Hartline. We need someone with better run concepts and just comes from a completely different system/perspective. Someone that pushes Day to rethink his offense, just like Day himself and Herrman did with Urban.
 
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inliner311 said:
Day needs to be willing to change his system and evolve. Part of being a top tier program is to shift how you win from year to year. An offense needs to evolve from year to year or it becomes stale and other teams catch up to it. It also has to change to accommodate the talent you have. Some of the reason why teams go after dual threat QBs is it gives them the ability to use the QB in the run game while they develop their passing.

I just don't think this offense was suited for Mccord as he developed his game. Day has been able to drop in a QB into his system and they played well up to this point. McCord has struggled because there isn't much to take pressure off of him. It doesn't help that Day has been using the same routes and concepts for 6+ years now.

I thought he needed to bring in an OC at the end of last season to help him evolve. It's a must now. He doesn't have to get rid of Hartline but needs someone to be co-OC with Hartline. We need someone with better run concepts and just comes from a completely different system/perspective. Someone that pushes Day to rethink his offense, just like Day himself and Herrman did with Urban.
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Here's another Bill Parcells' quote:

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FWIW, I'm not advocating that Day should be fired at all.....but.....

An offense needs to evolve from year to year or it becomes stale and other teams catch up to it. It also has to change to accommodate the talent you have.
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I agree. You need to recognize your weak points and 1) improve them and/or 2) improvise with plays to minimize their weakness.

In THE GAME the big difference was that (I'll say) McCarthy/Corum outplayed McCord/Henderson; however, this was due to the fact that this year's OL was not up to the task in the Michigan game. McCord didn't get great pass blocking nor did Henderson get great run blocking. Ohio State lacked the depth on the OL room to adequately replace Paris Johnson, Luke Wypler, and Dawand Jones. Ohio State's replacements just didn't perform at the level necessary to beat Michigan. The defense was vastly improved from 2021 & 2022; the OL just didn't get the job done. JMHO, the OL was Ohio State's "achilles heel".
 
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