HC Ryan Day (2019 B1G Media COY)

[Mike80]

You don't think you can switch that between 2nd game in the year and Thanksgiving?

Strange. I remember switching from a Heisman hopeful dual threat to a zone read manager in Fall. Then he fell in The Game and we switched to a Roethlesberger deep ball prototype.
Coaches were able to COMPLETELY retool the offense, successfully, for 3 different QBs in one season. Sometimes in a single week.

But now we're making excuses for going from a preseason Biletnikoff hopeful to the guy who should have actually won it ... and that's too much for the Coaches to handle?

That's some cope. That's same cope as the fools who thought Day was saving the playbook for Thanksgiving.
The only difference is that it hides behind an unfalsifiable hypothetical.

I think you completely missed what I was saying, but you do you bro. This has been beaten to death.

 

[1926Buckeyes]

... but we do have another #1 who has had amazing chemistry.
If you can't switch from JSN to MH, are you saying we're going to suck for next 10 years because JSN is the only option?
It's a coaching problem, not a personnel problem.

Of course that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying the offense was formulated in a certain way with JSN in mind and to be an unstoppable machine THIS YEAR, and not just very good, they needed him.

 

[shetuck]

Of course that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying the offense was formulated in a certain way with JSN in mind and to be an unstoppable machine THIS YEAR, and not just very good, they needed him.

I think @kujirakira is asking how long does it / should it take for the coach and the staff to reformulate the offense given that JSN was basically out of the picture.

The concern is that this reformulation shouldn't take all / most of the season... whether a coach is super stubborn or not.

And, to be fair, maybe the staff was (like everybody else) expecting JSN to come back any week. Or maybe Day and Wilson did try and reformulate, but given the problems with getting the run game going consistently, they really couldn't get their plan going. Even so, dead horse or not, it's still puzzling, given all the other skill players OSU has to work with.

 

[Steve19]

Missing JSN would be a mountain to climb if that room was not so packed with talent. Missing JSN and injuries to your top 2 running backs...and etc present far greater challenges. That is why Coach Day gets that fat pay packet.

 

[RugbyBuck]

The missing JSN narrative is bullshit. We knew we couldn't count on him coming back and that if/when he did, it would be cold and would take him a while to get up to speed. He's great, but he's not so great that we couldn't/shouldn't have been any less dominant with Egbuka and Fleming, especially with Harrison on the outside, even against the best teams on the schedule. The RB situation is similar to me, as he knew/should've known that Henderson wasn't coming back or that he shouldn't and Miyan was spotty. It seems, as I saw someone else, apologies as I don't remember who, wrote awhile back, that he has an NFL injury-type mindset, where they're in and out all season. That's fine for bumps and bruises (I'm all about playing through the hurt, but not the injury), but not when it's a long road and they're not close to 100%. Better, I'd think, to have started working Dallan and Chip earlier in the season and been able to hit scum with that lightning and thunder. Instead, we fucked around jerking ourselves off about the offense against weaker competition all season only to get bitch slapped again.

 

[Onebuckfan]

The missing JSN narrative is bullshit. We knew we couldn't count on him coming back and that if/when he did, it would be cold and would take him a while to get up to speed. He's great, but he's not so great that we couldn't/shouldn't have been any less dominant with Egbuka and Fleming, especially with Harrison on the outside, even against the best teams on the schedule. The RB situation is similar to me, as he knew/should've known that Henderson wasn't coming back or that he shouldn't and Miyan was spotty. It seems, as I saw someone else, apologies as I don't remember who, wrote awhile back, that he has an NFL injury-type mindset, where they're in and out all season. That's fine for bumps and bruises (I'm all about playing through the hurt, but not the injury), but not when it's a long road and they're not close to 100%. Better, I'd think, to have started working Dallan and Chip earlier in the season and been able to hit scum with that lightning and thunder. Instead, we fucked around jerking ourselves off about the offense against weaker competition all season only to get bitch slapped again.

Nailed it.

 

[dragurd]

The missing JSN narrative is bullshit. We knew we couldn't count on him coming back and that if/when he did, it would be cold and would take him a while to get up to speed. He's great, but he's not so great that we couldn't/shouldn't have been any less dominant with Egbuka and Fleming, especially with Harrison on the outside, even against the best teams on the schedule. The RB situation is similar to me, as he knew/should've known that Henderson wasn't coming back or that he shouldn't and Miyan was spotty. It seems, as I saw someone else, apologies as I don't remember who, wrote awhile back, that he has an NFL injury-type mindset, where they're in and out all season. That's fine for bumps and bruises (I'm all about playing through the hurt, but not the injury), but not when it's a long road and they're not close to 100%. Better, I'd think, to have started working Dallan and Chip earlier in the season and been able to hit scum with that lightning and thunder. Instead, we fucked around jerking ourselves off about the offense against weaker competition all season only to get bitch slapped again.

Eh JSN is dominant. So nothing was going to replace him exactly but against most teams it doesn't matter.

But saying the RB situation is similar. Nah not even NFL teams are effective when missing 4 of their top 5 running backs at points in the season with others clearly hampered. The RB situation is trash that I don't think a single team would have handled well. That injury luck was disgusting.

 

[RugbyBuck]

But saying the RB situation is similar. Nah not even NFL teams are effective when missing 4 of their top 5 running backs at points in the season with others clearly hampered. The RB situation is trash that I don't think a single team would have handled well. That injury luck was disgusting.

I agree, bad situation, but it wasn't a surprise. They didn't all go down against Maryland. Instead of trying to push Henderson (and I get that he probably wanted to try) and Williams back into form in an effort to overwhelm lesser teams I think he should've said, we're rolling with our healthy backs, and gotten them extensive real time minutes before the end of the season. From what I saw toward the end, Dallan and Chip would likely have been able to more than competently hold the line with more time on the field. It's not like they're not viable tOSU backs.

It seems like we were just invested in showing how awesome the offense was all season like somehow that mattered at the end. We weren't going to lose to most of those teams no matter what and style points don't matter along the way as long as you get to and win the B1G, which, of course, we didn't so, complete failure there. Instead, I would've rather played our other guys, including McCord, and been a solid, not pretty team going into scum.

 

[dragurd]

I agree, bad situation, but it wasn't a surprise. They didn't all go down against Maryland. Instead of trying to push Henderson (and I get that he probably wanted to try) and Williams back into form in an effort to overwhelm lesser teams I think he should've said, we're rolling with our healthy backs, and gotten them extensive real time minutes before the end of the season. From what I saw toward the end, Dallan and Chip would likely have been able to more than competently hold the line with more time on the field. It's not like they're not viable tOSU backs.

It seems like we were just invested in showing how awesome the offense was all season like somehow that mattered at the end. We weren't going to lose to most of those teams no matter what and style points don't matter along the way as long as you get to and win the B1G, which, of course, we didn't so, complete failure there. Instead, I would've rather played our other guys, including McCord, and been a solid, not pretty team going into scum.

Oh no doubt I bet they are second guessing themselves how they played injuries all year. Would have been better to give Miyan more time off to get him right. I think they were trying to balance people being hurt and rust and it ended up hurting them even more.

 

[RugbyBuck]

This is a broader issue than just with Day, but I think it's appropriate here: I don't understand the drive and success in bringing in quality depth and then not playing it. Outside of a QB controversy, I think the whole top half of the season should be spring ball. Guys who have looked good enough in camp should be playing enough so that they're either in the starting lineup or able to compete at the end should they find themselves there. I know all about the "you have to get into a groove" argument at running back. Bullshit. I've been there. You run hard, period, and you run harder if you know you're coming out and someone else is coming in.

 

[1926Buckeyes]

The missing JSN narrative is bullshit. We knew we couldn't count on him coming back and that if/when he did, it would be cold and would take him a while to get up to speed. He's great, but he's not so great that we couldn't/shouldn't have been any less dominant with Egbuka and Fleming, especially with Harrison on the outside, even against the best teams on the schedule.

That's just plain nonsense. You loose the best WR in the country and you don't think the offense should be any less dominant? MHJr is amazing. He's not as versatile or as dominant as JSN was last year. He'll be a better NFL player but recency bias has caused people to forget what JSN did.

There's a very clear difference between Day having the responsibility of gameplanning without JSN vs replacing him with zero drop off. If you watched JSN last season in the games where he had the least help but dominated the most, and think that he's replaceable, I think you're flat out insane.

 

[Abenaki]

This is a pretty "oooof" quote. When was it like that? Not since he's been here.

 

[kujirakira]

Of course that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying the offense was formulated in a certain way with JSN in mind and to be an unstoppable machine THIS YEAR, and not just very good, they needed him.

... and that plan has been irrelevant since week 2.
Did they stop offensive coordinating in week 2???

 

[kujirakira]

That's just plain nonsense. You loose the best WR in the country and you don't think the offense should be any less dominant? MHJr is amazing. He's not as versatile or as dominant as JSN was last year. He'll be a better NFL player but recency bias has caused people to forget what JSN did.

There's a very clear difference between Day having the responsibility of gameplanning without JSN vs replacing him with zero drop off. If you watched JSN last season in the games where he had the least help but dominated the most, and think that he's replaceable, I think you're flat out insane.

.. so firmly in the "we're always going to suck without JSN" camp.
I guess "next man up" mentality doesn't work in 2020s.

 

[Jaxbuck]

This is a pretty "oooof" quote. When was it like that? Not since he's been here.

Here are the other two that jumped out at me:

• Day says the "number one" priority at Ohio State must be the development of the players. "Certainly there's gonna be opportunities with NIL that were never here before. ... But where are you gonna be in three to five years?
• Day says players have "a lot of flexibility right now" in college football, and that "there are a lot of things going on right now that I know are hard for guys to walk away from. ... We're doing everything we can to do the right thing."

Where are you going to be in 3-5 years? You can't try and sell development alone to compensate for a weak NIL game and the "do the right thing" stuff pops up all over the place. It's the wild west, there are no rules or enforcement in place right now. Go compete. The boy scout routine is an excuse at this point imo.