HC Ryan Day (2019 B1G Media COY)

[LordJeffBuck]

Day needs to give up calling plays. Immediately and permanently. The reason I say that is because it looked like he and Knowles were coaching 2 different games with 2 different philosophies. Day called a pretty conservative game, while Knowles was calling zero blitzes like they won him free tacos. One side was coaching a 24-17 B1G game, the other a 45-42 Big XII shootout where if you get 1-2 stops and maybe a turnover, you live with giving up big plays because you think your offense is also going to pile up points. The whole philosophical underpinnings just seemed discombobulated from the start.

This is very well said. Some coaches don't understand the difference between strategy and tactics (or perhaps, don't understand how the two work together). Unfortunately, it seems that Day might be one of those guys.

 

[3yardsandacloud]

Outside of Larry Kehres (DIII), these are ALL of the DI coaches with a win percentage of .800 or greater (as of 2021) and have coached 10 seasons or more. There are 14 names. Of those, 4 coached all or a portion of their games before the modern era of football (1932). Of course Ryan Day hasn’t coached 10 seasons yet, but where do you think he would rank on this list? Would you guess 2nd overall and 1st amoung DI coaches?

.929 Larry Kehres† - Mount Union (1986–2012)
.881 Knute Rockne† - Notre Dame (1918–1930)
.864 Frank Leahy† - Boston College (1939–1940), Notre Dame (1941–1943, 1946–1953)
.855 Doyt Perry† - Bowling Green (1955–1964)
.853 Urban Meyer - Bowling Green (2001–2002), Utah (2003–2004), Florida (2005–2010), Ohio State (2012–2018)
.837 Barry Switzer† - Oklahoma (1973–1988) - .836 - Nebraska (1973–1997)
.833 Fielding H. Yost† - Ohio Wesleyan (1897), Nebraska (1898), Kansas (1899), Stanford (1900), San Jose State (1900), Michigan (1901–1923, 1925–1926)
.829 Robert Neyland† - Tennessee (1926–1934, 1936–1940, 1946–1952)
.826 Bud Wilkinson† - Oklahoma (1947–1963)
.812 Jock Sutherland† - Lafayette (1919–1923), Pittsburgh (1924–1938)
.806 Dabo Swinney - Clemson (2008–present)
.806 Bob Devaney† - Wyoming (1957–1961), Nebraska (1962–1972)
.806 Clarence Munn† - Albright (1935–1936), Syracuse (1946), Michigan State (1947–1953)
.804 Sid Gillman† - Miami (OH) (1944–1947), Cincinnati (1949–1954)
.800 Nick Saban - Toledo (1990), Michigan State (1995–1999), LSU (2000–2004), Alabama (2007–present)
† = College Football Hall of Fame


.894 Ryan Day - Ohio State (2019–present … not counting 3-0 as interim HC in 2018)


I get that emotions are still running high, I too am beyond frustrated with Saturday’s performance. It’s hard to easily identify a solution when so many things seemed to go wrong the past 2 years vs TTUN. When that happens, the coach is the obvious target for our frustration. I too have thoughts on what needs to change but I’ll hold those for a different time. Granted, this is Ohio State, it’s what you signed up for, but let’s not get too far over our skis here. Indeed we likely have an elite coach at the helm, even if he’s the easy target now. Urban Meyer is certain to get into the College Football Hall of Fame where he will join his predecessors Tressel, Cooper, Bruce and Hayes. If that’s the case, then Ryan Day is off to one hell of a start, with one exception, a big one to be sure.

If you compare Day’s first 4 seasons to his predecessors (first or last 4), we appear to be in good hands. Only Urban’s first 4 years are better. Comparisons to Cooper are only relevant in that he’s the most recent coach to lose more than 1 game to TTUN. Time will tell how this ultimately plays out, but any talk of him leaving or being shown the door, while winning at this rate, is simply and over-reaction to the raw emotion of this loss. The sentiment that “anyone” could win with the talent we have at OSU is foolish at best. History has shown us otherwise.

While I think most of the comments have been honest and fair, there are a few that come close to the line in regards to players (maybe not so much in this thread but others). Just want to say keep it classy regarding those that bust their ass for our enjoyment on the gridiron. At the end of the (Ryan) day, it’s Great to be a Buckeye! Even after that whipping, I look forward to the next opportunity to step up and prove ourselves. CFP hopefully, bowl game if not … we’re freaking Buckeyes, it’s what we do … no fear, Go Bucks!

This is Ryan’s 1st four seasons as a head coach and then a list of all our coach’s first and last 4 seasons at Ohio State for comparison. Hopefully an eye opener for some when viewed against his compatriots.


RYAN DAY - Overall 42-5 (.894) - Big Ten 30-2 (.938) - 1-2 vs TTUN - (not including 2018 Interim season 3-0 / 1-0 )

FIRST 4 YEARS - Overall 42-5 (.894) - Big Ten 30-2 (.938)
2019 - 13-1 - 9-0 - Lost Fiesta 23-29 to #3 Clemson - Finish #3
2020 - 7-1 - 5-0 - Won CFP/Sugar 49-28 over #2 Clemson / Lost Championship 24-52 to #1 Alabama - Finish #2
2021 - 11-2 - 8-1 - Won Rose 48-45 over #11 Utah - Finish #5/6
2022 - 11-1 - 8-1 - ??


URBAN MEYER(†) - Overall 83-9 (.902) - Big Ten 54-4 (.931) - 7-0 vs TTUN

FIRST 4 YEARS - Overall 50-4 (.926) - Big Ten 31-1 (.969)
2012 - 12-0 / 8-0 - NO BOWL - Finish #3
2013 - 12-2 / 8-0 - Lost B10 Champ 24-34 to #10 Mich State / Lost Orange 35-40 to #8 Clemson - Finish #12
2014 - 14-1 / 8-0 - Won CFP Sugar 24-7 over #1 Alabama / Won Championship 42-20 over #2 Oregon - Finish #1
2015 - 12-1 / 7-1 - Won Fiesta 44-28 over #8 Notre Dame - Finish #4

LAST 4 YEARS - Overall 45-6 (.882) - Big Ten 30-4 (.882)
2015 - 12-1 - 7-1 - Won Fiesta 44-28 over #8 Notre Dame - Finish #4
2016 - 11-2 - 8-1 - Lost CFP/Fiesta 0-31 to #2 Clemson - Finish #6
2017 - 12-2 - 8-1 - Won Cotton 24-7 over #8 USC - Finish #5
2018 - 10-1 - 7-1 - Won Rose 28.23 over #9 Washington - Finish #3


JIM TRESSEL† - Overall 106-22 (.828) - Big Ten 63-14 (.818) - 9-1 vs TTUN

FIRST 4 YEARS - Overall 40-11 (.784) - Big Ten 23-9 (.719)
2001 - 7-5 / 5-3 - NR
2002 - 14-0 / 8-0 - Finish #1
2003 - 11-2 / 6-2 - Finish #4
2004 - 8-4 / 4-4 - Finish #20

LAST 4 YEARS - Overall 44-8 (.846) - Big Ten 28-4 (.875)
2007 - 11-2 / 7-1 - Finish #5
2008 - 10-3 / 7-1 - Finish #9
2009 - 11-2 / 7-1 - Finish #5
2010 - 12-1 / 7-1 - Finish #5


JOHN COOPER† - 111-43-4 (.715) - Big Ten 70-30-4 (.692) - 2-10-1 vs TTUN

FIRST 4 YEARS - Overall 27-18-2 (.596) - Big Ten 18-12-2 (.594)
1988 - 4-6-1 / 2-5-1 - NR
1989 - 8-4 / 6-2 - Finish #21
1990 - 7-4-1 / 5-2-1 - NR
1991 - 8-4 / 5-3 - NR

LAST 4 YEARS - Overall 35-14 (.719) - Big Ten 23-9 (.719)
1997 - 10-3 / 6-2 - Finish #12
1998 - 11-1 / 7-1 - Finish #2
1999 - 6-6 / 5-3 - NR
2000 - 8-4 / 5-3 - NR


EARLE BRUCE† - 81-26-1 (.755) - Big Ten 57-17 (.770) - 5-4 vs TTUN

FIRST 4 YEARS - Overall 38-10 (.791) - Big Ten 28-4 (.875)
1979 - 11-1 / 8-0 - Finish #4
1980 - 9-3 / 7-1 - Finish #15
1981 - 9-3 / 6-2 - Finish #15
1982 - 9-3 / 7-1 - Finish #12

LAST 4 YEARS - Overall 34-13-1 (.719) - Big Ten 23-10 (.697)
1984 - 9-3 / 7-2 Finish #13
1985 - 9-3 / 5-3 - Finish #11/14
1986 - 10-3 / 7-1 - Finish #6/7
1987 - 6-4-1 / 4-4 - NR


WOODY HAYES† - 205-61-10 (.761) - Big Ten 152-37-7 (.793) - 16-11-1 vs TTUN

FIRST 4 YEARS - Overall 26-9-2 (.730) - Big Ten 18-8-2 (.679)
1951 - 4-3-2 / 2-3-2 - NR
1952 - 6-3 / 5-2 - Finish #17
1953 - 6-3 / 4-3 - NR
1954 - 10-0 / 7-0 - Finish #1

LAST 4 YEARS - Overall 36-10-2 (.771) - Big Ten 28-4 (.875)
1975 - 11-1 / 8-0 - Finish #4
1976 - 9-2-1 / 7-1 - Finish #5/6
1977 - 9-3 / 7-1 - Finish #12/11
1978 - 7-4-1 / 6-2 - NR

 

[Jaxbuck]

Woody, Tressel and Urban all took over another guys roster and improved it. They all won a NC in their first 4 years.

Cooper and Earl couldn't do that.

Day is in the lesser coach than the last guy group and all of the rationalizations ("if you take Days first 4 years and extrapolate them out over 10 years he's a HOFer") are going to have a very DFBIA delusional tint to them when he loses his third in a row next year. Probably on top of a couple of regular season losses.

I wanted to believe he could keep Urbans machine running full tilt as much as anyone else. After what we've seen from him in The Game I just don't know how anyone can still believe that but I remember people defending Cooper until the day he was fired on the old Bucknuts board and I remember people losing their minds when I had the temerity to doubt Tressel on this one.

Day isn't the guy. He isn't going to get fired anytime soon but he isn't going to keep us up in the Urban stratosphere for very long. Nobody worth a damn gets that thoroughly outcoached by a schmuck like Jim Harbaugh...twice. This is as obvious a watershed moment as Cooper losing to fucking Air Force in the Liberty Bowl.

 

[Thump]

Woody, Tressel and Urban all took over another guys roster and improved it. They all won a NC in their first 4 years.

Cooper and Earl couldn't do that.

Day is in the lesser coach than the last guy group and all of the rationalizations ("if you take Days first 4 years and extrapolate them out over 10 years he's a HOFer") are going to have a very DFBIA delusional tint to them when he loses his third in a row next year. Probably on top of a couple of regular season losses.

I wanted to believe he could keep Urbans machine running full tilt as much as anyone else. After what we've seen from him in The Game I just don't know how anyone can still believe that but I remember people defending Cooper until the day he was fired on the old Bucknuts board and I remember people losing their minds when I had the temerity to doubt Tressel on this one.

Day isn't the guy. He isn't going to get fired anytime soon but he isn't going to keep us up in the Urban stratosphere for very long. Nobody worth a damn gets that thoroughly outcoached by a schmuck like Jim Harbaugh...twice. This is as obvious a watershed moment as Cooper losing to fucking Air Force in the Liberty Bowl.

You win!!

 

[billmac91]

Woody, Tressel and Urban all took over another guys roster and improved it. They all won a NC in their first 4 years.

Cooper and Earl couldn't do that.

Day is in the lesser coach than the last guy group and all of the rationalizations ("if you take Days first 4 years and extrapolate them out over 10 years he's a HOFer") are going to have a very DFBIA delusional tint to them when he loses his third in a row next year. Probably on top of a couple of regular season losses.

I wanted to believe he could keep Urbans machine running full tilt as much as anyone else. After what we've seen from him in The Game I just don't know how anyone can still believe that but I remember people defending Cooper until the day he was fired on the old Bucknuts board and I remember people losing their minds when I had the temerity to doubt Tressel on this one.

Day isn't the guy. He isn't going to get fired anytime soon but he isn't going to keep us up in the Urban stratosphere for very long. Nobody worth a damn gets that thoroughly outcoached by a schmuck like Jim Harbaugh...twice. This is as obvious a watershed moment as Cooper losing to fucking Air Force in the Liberty Bowl.

Based on the landscape of college football I think this is a bit short sighted. As long as we keep pumping out coveted NFL talent, we will be a recruiting hotbed and I don’t see that machine slowing down any time soon.

And with the playoffs expanding to 12 teams in 2024 (most likely) I don’t think you move on from a coach who will likely get you to the playoffs 90% of the time.

The Michigan losses suck, but I’d argue there’s immense risk in moving on from Day immediately because Harbaugh has whooped his ass the last 2 years. I’m also very curious to see how Michigan looks in 2 years when the Covid forgiveness years have expired.

 

[Jaxbuck]

Based on the landscape of college football I think this is a bit short sighted. As long as we keep pumping out coveted NFL talent, we will be a recruiting hotbed and I don’t see that machine slowing down any time soon.

And with the playoffs expanding to 12 teams in 2024 (most likely) I don’t think you move on from a coach who will likely get you to the playoffs 90% of the time.

The Michigan losses suck, but I’d argue there’s immense risk in moving on from Day immediately because Harbaugh has whooped his ass the last 2 years. I’m also very curious to see how Michigan looks in 2 years when the Covid forgiveness years have expired.

I agree the expanded playoff is a glimmer of hope but that hope quickly gets doused, at least for me, when I consider it's the same guy coaching in the playoffs that was coaching in The Game. Maybe he'll just have a mental block against tsun and avoid shitting all over himself in other games. Doubtful...but maybe.

I hope the expanded playoffs do rescue us because coaching changes are risky as hell.

I feel like we are headed toward a day (no pun intended) when we answer the existential Buckeye question: would you rather win a NC and lose The Game or beat tsun and lose in the playoff?

We have a solid chance to back into the CFP still this year and probably would stand a reasonable chance to win it. As I sit here tonight I cannot imagine winning this CFP would be good enough to outweigh the sickening feeling from losing The Game (again). I don't care about a NC to be honest. Nothing is going to get this stench off of us.

 

[Thump]

I feel like we are headed toward a day (no pun intended) when we answer the existential Buckeye question: would you rather win a NC and lose The Game or beat tsun and lose in the playoff?

You are correct.

Once the 12-team playoff starts, the importance of “The Game” will significantly decrease to the detriment of us all.

 

[Thump]

I agree the expanded playoff is a glimmer of hope but that hope quickly gets doused, at least for me, when I consider it's the same guy coaching in the playoffs that was coaching in The Game. Maybe he'll just have a mental block against tsun and avoid shitting all over himself in other games. Doubtful...but maybe.

I hope the expanded playoffs do rescue us because coaching changes are risky as hell.

I feel like we are headed toward a day (no pun intended) when we answer the existential Buckeye question: would you rather win a NC and lose The Game or beat tsun and lose in the playoff?

We have a solid chance to back into the CFP still this year and probably would stand a reasonable chance to win it. As I sit here tonight I cannot imagine winning this CFP would be good enough to outweigh the sickening feeling from losing The Game (again). I don't care about a NC to be honest. Nothing is going to get this stench off of us.

A victory over scUM would get off the stench!

 

[Jaxbuck]

You are correct.

Once the 12-team playoff starts, the importance of “The Game” will significantly decrease to the detriment of us all.

There is now way to avoid it.

Part of the trade off of putting more emphasis on the playoff than the regular season. There are always pros and cons but I'm having a hard time liking this.

 

[Jaxbuck]

A victory over scUM would get off the stench!

 

[Thump]

There is now way to avoid it.

Part of the trade off of putting more emphasis on the playoff than the regular season. There are always pros and cons but I'm having a hard time liking this.

Totally agree dude!

 

[Bucklion]

There is now way to avoid it.

Part of the trade off of putting more emphasis on the playoff than the regular season. There are always pros and cons but I'm having a hard time liking this.

This brings me to an existential question I was pondering this weekend during the “look what CJ said” portion of the proceedings…will the Michigan hardliners like me and so many others here eventually die off? That can be literal or figurative, but I suppose mostly literal. Will younger fans just not care about The Game that much anymore? Do they already? Will “playoff” fans replace “The Game” fans, and if so, in how long? 10 years? 20 years? Is it happening already? Maybe I’m just a dinosaur from the Cooperzoic Era (and the Earlezoic Era) and when my kind hits the assisted living, the playoff will be all that matters to the new batch of Buckeye fans. I don’t know the answer, just throwing it out there.

 

[Jaxbuck]

This brings me to an existential question I was pondering this weekend during the “look what CJ said” portion of the proceedings…will the Michigan hardliners like me and so many others here eventually die off? That can be literal or figurative, but I suppose mostly literal. Will younger fans just not care about The Game that much anymore? Do they already? Will “playoff” fans replace “The Game” fans, and if so, in how long? 10 years? 20 years? Is it happening already? Maybe I’m just a dinosaur from the Cooperzoic Era (and the Earlezoic Era) and when my kind hits the assisted living, the playoff will be all that matters to the new batch of Buckeye fans. I don’t know the answer, just throwing it out there.

Yes we are going to die off and no, it will never mean the same thing to them. It will matter but we are seeing the end(maybe already have) of the winner take all, loser contemplates suicide, end of year souls maker/breaker version of The Game.

It will eventually be like an NFL “rivalry” game. Bears and Packers oh fuck me running my.

Goddamnit. I was going to stop at 3 bourbons tonight. Thanks fucker.

 

[OHSportsFan]

Day is in the lesser coach than the last guy group and all of the rationalizations ("if you take Days first 4 years and extrapolate them out over 10 years he's a HOFer") are going to have a very DFBIA delusional tint to them when he loses his third in a row next year.

I think you’re giving too much credit to Harbaugh to maintain whatever voodoo he was able to get out of the last 2 years.

I have concerns with Day and I don’t know exactly what the OSU roster will look like…but I ain’t writing off a Loss in next year’s Game 361 days out. I just can’t believe that simpleton can keep this up. Fuck em.

 

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

But. Hey.... at least there isn't any controversy.

Lmao