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Harrison remark, Intentional?

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jwinslow said:
That's an interesting choice of words. I'm assuming the last past was somehow intended to point fingers at others and somehow help advance past bigotry and preconceptions?
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No, the entire post was intended to point fingers at others, specifically at the select few white people who jump out of their seats anytime a black person uses the n-word and cries "double standard."
 
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MililaniBuckeye said:
There's no suspense to spoil. No one should "get to use" a word whose sole original was designed to degrade and dehumanize, period. You don't see Jews calling anyone "Kike", nor Hispanics calling anyone "Spic". I have zero desire to use it, yet I still think that no one should lest they face blowback for doing so. You may think that because you're clack that you have "social copyright" to use the word, but you don't. If the word is indeed so offensive to you, then you should be equally offended at anyone who uses it, regardless of their ethnicity.
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And no one just gets to use the word. Plenty of people in the black community are critical of using the word. The fact that the blowback for black people who use the word pales in comparison to the blowback for white people who use the word isn't some 'double standard' or injustice. It's a recognition that, while it may be wrong for all, it is absolutely worse for a white person to say it in a derogatory fashion.
 
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Best Buckeye said:
And here I thought just the use of "nigga" by anyone at anytime is racist.... Duh.
I fail to see why it should make any difference who says it. I bet if Kamenski had used it in the same vein as Hamilton there would be screaming all over the media and protest marches all over.
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And I fail to see why you fail to see the difference.

IF Kaminsky had said it, it would be impossible to see how the comment wasn't directed at Harrison's race. Under these circumstances, people are just mad that Harrison said something he shouldn't have said. No one honestly (or reasonably) believes he was disparing Kaminsky because he was white. Therein lies the difference, whether you want to recognize it or not.
 
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OH10 said:
IF Kaminsky had said it, it would be impossible to see how the comment wasn't directed at Harrison's race.
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This is the part I take issue with. If its reasonable to assume Harrison didnt intend for it to be about race, why, in this day and age is it accepted that if Kaminsky had said it he couldnt have been using it the exact same way you assume Harrison was.
 
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OH10 said:
And no one just gets to use the word. Plenty of people in the black community are critical of using the word. The fact that the blowback for black people who use the word pales in comparison to the blowback for white people who use the word isn't some 'double standard' or injustice. It's a recognition that, while it may be wrong for all, it is absolutely worse for a white person to say it in a derogatory fashion.
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Not saying the "difference in blowback" is an "injustice", but it's still a double standard. Don't rip a small group of ignorant college kids using the word and turnaround and do next to nothing to blacks using it. Blacks using the word doesn't justify whites using it (never said or even implied that), but it tends to dilute the heinousness of the word. And it shouldn't be just "plenty of people" in the black community being critical of the word, but rather it should be the entire community...
 
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BuckeyeSoldier said:
This is the part I take issue with. If its reasonable to assume Harrison didnt intend for it to be about race, why, in this day and age is it accepted that if Kaminsky had said it he couldnt have been using it the exact same way you assume Harrison was.
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Because (and I’m just spitballing here) the n-word has not traditionally been levied towards white people to demean or de-humanize them because of their race. That might just maybe possibly be some type of important context here.
 
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OH10 said:
Because (and I’m just spitballing here) the n-word has not traditionally been levied towards white people to demean or de-humanize them because of their race. That might just maybe possibly be some type of important context here.
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I am not saying that Harrison was racist, I AM saying that with how much that word is used now isnt it POSSIBLE that IF Kaminsky had used it he COULD have meant it the same way as Harrison?
 
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OH10 said:
No one honestly (or reasonably) believes he was disparing Kaminsky because he was white.
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Then why did he choose the word "nigga" instead of "dipshit", "dumbass", or any other of a myriad of generic insults? I guess we should give him some credit for not using "cracka", "hillbilly", "redneck", or "honkey"...
 
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MililaniBuckeye said:
Not saying the "difference in blowback" is an "injustice", but it's still a double standard. Don't rip a small group of ignorant college kids using the word and turnaround and do next to nothing to blacks using it. Blacks using the word doesn't justify whites using it (never said or even implied that), but it tends to dilute the heinousness of the word. And it shouldn't be just "plenty of people" in the black community being critical of the word, but rather it should be the entire community...
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Please see above post about the MAJOR differences here between the SAE thing and Harrison. If you don’t see the difference, then I think you don’t want to see the difference because it doesn’t support your “double standard” position.

And it's really not your place to tell the "entire” black community how they should feel about this particular word, which has caused them so much pain throughout the years.
 
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OH10 said:
And it's really not your place to tell the "entire” black community how they should feel about this particular word, which has caused them so much pain throughout the years.
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Oh, because I'm white? I suppose it would be OK for you, though, because you're black. If there are those in the black community who continue to use the word, then maybe the community hasn't done a good enough job of self-policing.
 
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MililaniBuckeye said:
Then why did he choose the word "nigga" instead of "dip[Mark May]", "dumbass", or any other of a myriad of generic insults? I guess we should give him some credit for not using "cracka", "hillbilly", "redneck", or "honkey"...
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You seriously think a black guy calling a white guy “n---a” is racist? That’s a level of logical gymnastics I can’t even begin to understand.
 
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Common sense has to prevail at some point in this entire clown show of a "debate" (and I mean this debate in overall society, not just this thread).

At what point does an African American who uses the "n" word look themselves in the mirror and accept the fact that their use of that very word is about as degrading as anyone could be towards that individual's own race? So,why does the degraded person choose to use it themselves? I understand the thought process behind it, but it doesn't solve the problem. The only way to stop the madness is for EVERYONE to stop using the word (or any other word used for any other ethnicity). There is no arguing that. It's never OK to say it, not by anyone. I don't beleive it will ever stop, but the whole damn thing is laughable, and to make any kind of excuse as to why it's OK for 1 person to say it but not the other, is just plain sad.

Harrison meant what he said. It was disrespectful, and he meant it to be. Don't lie about it, be a man and admit you fucked up and move on w/life.

Fucking stupid.
 
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OH10 said:
No, the entire post was intended to point fingers at others, specifically at the select few white people who jump out of their seats anytime a black person uses the n-word and cries "double standard."
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If the goal is to call out racial ignorance and trumped up outrage, shoving everyone from one group into the same preconceived stereotype is probably an unwise approach to the situation.

I think it's different for a white person to use it towards a black person, as in super awful instead of very awful. I also think it's a lot less casual in this context.

I'm not particularly upset about this because it's a common occurrence, not because he should get away with saying it.
 
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