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Utah was a mid major when Urban coached there. Stanford is one of the top 5 universities in the USA. Utah is not even top 100.
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Not to mention that Meyer had zero head coaching experience when he went to Utah, whilst Harbaugh was head coach at San Diego for three years before taking the Stanford job. Also, Harbaugh inherited a team that went 8-2 the previous year and "coached them up" to a 7-5 record the next, whilst Meyer inherited a 5-6 team and turned them into 10-2 team that went 13-0 the following year, winning the MWC title both years.
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I stand corrected...flip-flopped the coaching gigs.
He took a 2-9 BGSU and turned them into 8-3 and 9-3 teams.
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UpNorth_Buckeye
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Well we're talking football here, not academics. Which plays a part I understand, but I wouldn't call Stanford a top 5 football school and Utah outside the top 100 for football. Regardless I wasn't even saying that Utah is easier to recruit for than Stanford (that may have been slightly misinterpreted along the way). I was referring to Stanford at that point in their program with the lowest of all lows they were in.
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Stanford was coming off an outlier bad year at 1-11...the previous three years they were relatively competitive at 4-7, 4-7, and 5-6. It still took Harbaugh three years to get them back above .500 at 8-5.
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UpNorth_Buckeye
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If 4-7/5-6 over a three year period is relatively competitive, then Stanford is an even worse program pre-Harbaugh than originally though, making what he did even more impressive. I mean when adding in the 1-11 that's just north of a 30% win percentage over a four year period. That's not very easy to recruit to.
Hell, even a pre-Florida Urban Meyer would struggle to recruit to a program like Ohio State with that kind of recent failure, at least in the first couple of years until he turned it around (and to be clear by struggle I mean being outside of the top 15 or so since a place like OSU gets you an automatic top 20 class in most cases). Post-Florida Urban Meyer however would be able to have success earlier. Which is why I think Harbaugh will be successful on the recruiting trail since his reputation will be more in line with post-Florida Urban Meyer than it will Stanford Harbaugh.
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Look up the meaning of the word "outlier". Going 4-7, 4-7, and 5-6 is far better than 1-11, which you used to justify how great Harbaugh's recruiting turnaround. Hell, even Ty Willingham was 44-36-1 at Stanford, with an 8-4 year and a 9-3 year.
Just give it up already. Whether you like it or not, Harbaugh is not the almighty recruiting savior that you claim he is...he simply isn't. His track record clearly shows this.
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UpNorth_Buckeye
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Just to be clear, Miliani's definition of the term "relatively competitive" is sub .400. I guess we're just working off of different dictionaries. And it's also kind of funny how you know what the definition of the word "outlier" is when using it for your argument but then ignore it when using it for your own argument.
So I suppose that 2-9 BG team wasn't an outlier when they were exactly .400 over the previous 5 seasons? Which again sucks, but I guess you would consider that "relatively competitive."
And I'm not certain where I called Harbaugh an "almighty recruiting savior" for Michigan. I'm just not ignorant to the fact that Michigan recruits itself (see: Hoke) and Harbaugh will have kids wanting to play for him (see: the opposite of what Milani wants to believe). You keep comparing his recruiting at Stanford and claiming that it will be average since it was average at Stanford. A) Michigan is not Stanford and B) Harbaugh was a relative unknown at Stanford, but is not at Michigan.
Edit: And because I already know exactly where you're going to take this, because you've been slowly taking it away from the initial point anyways, no, I am not comparing Harbaugh to Urban Meyer as a coach. You're going to say "oh so Urban took BG from 2-9 to 8-3 in one year and it took Harbaugh 3 years to take a 1-11 Stanford to 8-5. FACTS." And then I'll have to unfortunately remind you that my entire initial point was only that Harbaugh would recruit well at Michigan. Not that Harbaugh is a better coach, not that Harbaugh will recruit better than Urban. Only that Harbaugh will do well in recruiting at Michigan. Somehow you don't believe that which just blows my mind.
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ulukinatme
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While Harbaugh's turn around at Stanford is somewhat impressive, I'm sure it has nothing to do with the rumors of performance enhancing drugs that they were using during his time there...and I'm not talking about their cooling glove that was dubbed "better than steroids." Harbaugh's a decent coach, but from what some people have said it wasn't just his coaching that turned Stanford from a bottom feeder into a BCS caliber program. I can't find the figures, but during a few years someone noticed that Stanford had the fewest number of season ending injuries or major injuries among D1 programs. That ain't just coaching.
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