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God I Hate Homeowner Associations....

Wingate1217

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  • My daughter is in the process of selling their home and moving since her hubby took a new job. One day before the closing the HOA President calls the management company overseeing the sale and states that they owe $18,000 in fees for a truck illegally parked beside their house. The closing is now in status until this is resolved.

    Let's go go back 48 hours. My daughter was visiting us and since it was raining cats and dogs asked if I could take her and our grandson home. My wife followed in our car so I would have a way back.

    I arrive at her home 2-3 minutes before her (she rode with my wife) and I see a guy looking like he is "casing" her property. He turns out to be the President of the HOA and he claims that a neighbor has complained to him about her swing set. First claim it was straddling over into the neighbor's property. My daughter shows him were the surveyors put in stakes showing where the propery lines are drawn and the swing set in clearly 2-3 yards inside my daughter's property line. Second claim that the swing set is unsafe because "barriers" were removed. These barriers were railroad ties that bordered the area around the swing set and the new owners on condition of the sale wanted them removed. Don't really know why that is the any of the HOA's business since it is on her property and only her kind is supposed to use said swing set and the issue is not even addressed in the HOA regs. I basically told the guy this and that if that was the case then his community swing set is in violation also and that it is really a moot point since she will no longer be the owner come Wednesday and that they are moving out.

    Come today the guy calls her a demands the quarterly HOA dues for Jan-March. She has a cancelled check from the company that adminsters the HOA's account and tells him just that. The Prez goes on to tell her that he fired the management company and she should pay him. Management company tells us that the Prez took over April 1st so she was correct in paying them. The Prez know changes his story and says that she must pay in advance her HOA dues for the whole year before she moves out. She already knows what to say that she only owes for April and that will be taken care of at the closing and the new owners are responsible for the HOA dues from May onward.
    He then comes up with this notion that her husband violated some convenant when he parked his car on the side of the house and not in the driveway. He says it was 180 days ago and since her husband didn't show up at the hearing he was charging her $100 a day, which is $18,000. He is correct that her husband didn't show up because there is not a regulation saying he can't park on the side of his house and he has the e-mail from the previous HOA management company (now fired) to prove that and their statement that they would be removing the complaint.
    Oh, and since there is no HOA management company anymore guess who is minding the accounts and finances of the HOA. Yep, you guessed it the fore mentioned Prez. Tomorrow she is going (or should I say her husband's company attorneys, since they are purchasing the house so her husband can transfer) are going to get involved. I guess they tried to call the guy today and he refuses to answer the phone or return messages.
    Thsi really sounds like a shakedown to me.....but it is amazing how one guy can really mess with your life for a while.......

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    Ugh. That is ridiculous, and hopefully won't cause them issues for very long. I think I'd rather let the neighbors annoy me than set loose busybody hell hounds with an HOA, though what you are describing is way beyond that.

    Mike80;2333678; said:
    Yep it's a shakedown and I wouldn't let the guy on the property without police escort.
    Knocking on the other neighbor's doors to invite them to the discussion might be nice, too. Let them see what's going on and maybe save them a few headaches down the road. Besides, bullies dislike being outnumbered.
     
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    Holy smokes, that's not cool. I like the ideas of having police escort, getting other neighbors involved to let them see what a jack wagon this guy is. Hope this gets settled quickly!
     
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    First, she needs to report this HOA president to whatever state authority regulates HOAs and Condos (If it is Florida, contact the DBPR) and report the president for intimidation. This will start an investigation into the guy that he really won't want.

    Second, unless there is documented evidence that a certified letter of the violations was sent within 10 days of the violation being noticed (the truck on the side of the house) he has absolutely no legs to stand on.

    Third, if the president told her to pay him, he is probably stealing from the association. At no time should a homeowner hand over a check or money order to a BOD member for association dues. This is almost always handled by an accounting firm or management company as there are rules and regulations as to the the collection of funds and financial reporting.

    I work in the industry in Florida, and have had my fair share of, shall I say, overzealous board members. They really have no authority other than sending out letters for violations and such. Oh, and a violation for the truck should be wiped out at closing, no matter how much it is, because the issue was resolved by moving the truck.
     
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    And this is why I hate the thought of owning a home here in Orlando; there are basically no "individual" homes outside of the downtown Orlando area, they're all in subdivisions governed by ridiculous HOAs.

    Good luck with that situation, because I know I would have lost my cool already if I were in your shoes.
     
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    scooter1369;2333786; said:
    I'd suggest a dead hooker in his trunk, but the rat bastard probably already has one.

    Well, normally in this case, if they have a regular meeting, the equivalent would be make a motion to audit the HOA's accounts. I'm not real sure why the President of the HOA is handling this, and not say, a Treasurer or Secretary. I'm imagining homeboy wants no part of that.
     
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    buxfan4life;2333713; said:
    First, she needs to report this HOA president to whatever state authority regulates HOAs and Condos (If it is Florida, contact the DBPR) and report the president for intimidation. This will start an investigation into the guy that he really won't want.

    Second, unless there is documented evidence that a certified letter of the violations was sent within 10 days of the violation being noticed (the truck on the side of the house) he has absolutely no legs to stand on.

    Third, if the president told her to pay him, he is probably stealing from the association. At no time should a homeowner hand over a check or money order to a BOD member for association dues. This is almost always handled by an accounting firm or management company as there are rules and regulations as to the the collection of funds and financial reporting.

    I work in the industry in Florida, and have had my fair share of, shall I say, overzealous board members. They really have no authority other than sending out letters for violations and such. Oh, and a violation for the truck should be wiped out at closing, no matter how much it is, because the issue was resolved by moving the truck.

    Also, try your state Attorney General's Office' consumer protection division and consider shooting a call out to any kind of self-described media "troubleshooter" and let him make the guy's life miserable. This guy sounds like more than just and asshole: He sounds like a criminal and you just might save your daughter, and others, a lot of trouble by getting him investigated and, hopefully, prosecuted.
     
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    Muck;2333700; said:
    Just mount his head on a spike in the front yard.

    Problem solved.

    I like the old school feel of this idea.

    scooter1369;2333786; said:
    I'd suggest a dead hooker in his trunk, but the rat bastard probably already has one.

    I really like the Craig James feel of this one.

    FCollinsBuckeye;2333789; said:
    What a dick.

    [censored] that guy.

    You sir are a man of few words, but when you do speak you speaketh the truth.
     
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    Thanks all for your helpful advice....

    Update: My daughter's real estate management company paralegal called the turkey today. He claims to ave proof of the incident even though they never sent a certified letter. He also claims the former HOA management company has all the proof. When confronted with the truth that the HOA management company (which he fired) sent him all the records via certified mail which he signed for and do not have any duplicates all of a sudden homeboy decided $3,000 not $18,000 would be the penalty. Our son in law's attorney suggested that fighting this probably will be more expensive than just paying the guy off. My son-in law's response..."He can rot in Hell before he gets a cent out of me." Stay tuned...might have a counter suit...
     
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